Always & Forever

Both of you make some good points.

Like I said, I was torn! It was a Catch-22.

sweet creature

Aww yea, it was not easy to watch it happen. :')

But I think either you are against or not against the accords, the part that was really difficult for me to watch was Steve and Bucky fighting together against Tony, that was terrible. I know Bucky was his friend but so was Tony.

Butterfly85

That's how I felt, I was on Cap's side but understood both completely. It was painful to see Tony vs. Cap/Bucky. That fight literally hurt. I understood Cap wanting to protect Bucky cause he was brainwashed and it wasn't Bucky, but you SAW him kill Tony's parents. So I would of wanted to rip his damn head off too. All of those things just shows how brilliantly written Civil War was *claps*

sweet creature

Yea, but on that scene I was really disappointed with Cap. I can even forgive him for not telling Tony the truth about his parents (I think he should have told him, but I understand why he didn't), and I get that he wanted to protect Bucky, but Tony was his friend too. And Tony's reaction to finding out about his parents was very natural, anyone would have been angry, I think Cap should have tried to calm him down instead of actually fighting with him.

I do agree that the writing was amazing, this angst makes me mad but I also love it.

Always & Forever

I think we can all agree in that.

madness

Yep yep yep. You'd think that they would've gone through enough together that a fight and literally almost killing Tony wouldn't be the way to go. I love Steve, but I'll never forgive him for his final actions in Siberia;

meraki

^I feel the same way, Mel. I hated what happened in Siberia.

And I hated the letter he wrote to Tony too. When he said that The Avengers was more Tony's family than his. I just wanted to slap some sense into to Steve for saying that because he pretty much got all of the Avengers on his side at the end. Leaving only Rhodey left on the team with Tony. (Vision doesn't count as he also left in the end).

madness

Right??? He took the Avengers and then went "Nah, I think I'll do my own thing. You can have them back." It's like when parents get divorced and they pit the children against one of the parents but then go "I'm going to travel the world! Here, have the children." That totally doesn't have consequences.

meraki

Yeah. It just makes me so upset the way he acted in CW.

madness

It's frustrating, upsetting and so sad. I'm kind of glad we didn't get a fourth CA, I don't know if I could've handle another movie about him without them addressing his sudden aversion to the law and following the rules and just listening to other opinions.

I'm totally fine with someone going through that journey due to trauma and betrayal etc. but I need to see that journey and the motives, it's what the writing here really lacked.

sweet creature

Sometimes I wish we had seen more of his motives, just to try to understand, cause this didn't make sense to me either. Cap was always about the team and being a good team player, so him leaving the Avengers behind was very OOC.

crash landing

Probably read previous posts after I rewatch TWS/CW even if Tony is only CW can’t do CW without my fave MCU movie where can give or take TFA

madness

Yeah, that could've been good. Perhaps we need a CA 2.5.

meraki

I think that would be good. To really see why he was like he was in CW.

madness

We must've missed a big chunk of his story, it seems to me.