[kayrey]

It sounds like we've pretty much watched up to the same point then. Some things could have happened in the episodes I haven't seen to prove otherwise but it really seems like almost everyone has gotten worse.

Night Heather! Sleep well. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

[fractured moonlight]

It does seem like they have just gotten worse. And the fact Bill just keeps getting away with things must really make him even worse.

[kayrey]

I don't know what it is. The writers know how to write compelling stories but can't seem to make their characters decent people. Hopefully that changes with Nora.

[fractured moonlight]

I agree with this. And again I guess they are trying to write it realistically as possible but can someone be likable? Please. Yeah hopefully it's Nora. And probably will be for us since she is played by Emily.

[JaSam4Life]

I actually love Bill, He's a flawed character that does some stupid **** but at the end of the day it's clear he loves Gini and it sucks that Dan Logan is doing the same thing with her but for some reason she thinks it's fine since she doesn't see his kids or wife? ugh please. One thing you can say about Bill is that he isn't sleeping with his wife, but can the same be said about Dan Logan?

Gini is made it clear she had feelings for Bill but because she is friends with Libby it now feels so completely wrong (I also think Lisa is Bill's) So she's settling for second best with another man it just doesn't make sense.

[fractured moonlight]

Not really sure about all this as I haven't watched past S1. But I got to say Bill not sleeping with his wife doesn't make what him and Gini are doing better. His wife is his wife. He can sleep with her all he wants too (I mean in general here not saying he can force himself on her). Gini is the other woman. She's the 3rd party in this relationship. What I don't get is why Bill and his wife just don't divorce and get it over with. Is that something they have discussed on the show? I know it's set in a time period where I don't think divorces happened a lot but damn.

And I don't understand this because it still didn't stop her from sleeping with Bill. And them using it under the guise of oh it's research doesn't imo make what they did any better.

And you know no lie I've liked a couple or two that started out with cheating but I just can't with these two. And a lot of it could be in the writing and personalities of those characters.

[kayrey]

See I'm not even sure Bill really loves Gini, I do think there are real feelings involved but mostly I think he likes having someone to control and mold into his idea of the perfect partner. That's just my interpretation though. Gini I find a little more difficult to read but I don't really think she loves Bill at all.

Heather, from what I know, Libby now knows Bill and Gini are sleeping together and has pretty much accepted it.

I'm pretty sure I love Nora already but it would be cool to see Emily play someone who's a little more morally grey.

[fractured moonlight]

That does seem to fit his character but I don't know either way what his feelings are for her. And same for her.

Glad she knows. Hopefully though she is getting to get something on the side too.

I agree with all of that.

[kayrey]

I think that's probably part of the problem, we're not sure of their intentions.

It seems like she does or is thinking about it.

[JaSam4Life]

But Dan Logan is the same, she's the other woman.

anyway on the whole divorce he did eventually divorce his wife but at that time I think it was almost taboo to do that.

[kayrey]

I only know a bit about Dan but that is true. Everyone has really questionable morals.

[fractured moonlight]

Yeah I can't really state my opinions too much because I don't know much beyond what little I've seen. Like I don't even know who Dan is.

[kayrey]

Dan is working with Bill and Gini in studying the smell of sex and pheromones for his perfume company. I think. He's also interested in Gini and is apparently married.

[JaSam4Life]

I came into this series not liking it but the more real history and watching the series and seeing Mike and Lizzy have this intense chemistry I love them.

You know your stuff, Klayley. That's all the info they gave us on him. Still don't know if he has kid yet or not though.

[fractured moonlight]

Effy - I think the actual research and history of it is what kept me around for as long as I was.

Kay - Thanks for that.