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Old 07-10-2018, 06:38 PM
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:31 PM
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He really did love his kids
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:39 PM
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:49 PM
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He just had problems showing it (in healthy ways)
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:00 PM
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That's very true.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:52 AM
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He just had problems showing it (in healthy ways)
Yep that's true
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:30 PM
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I wonder if that would have been different if Mary didn't die
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:22 PM
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I can't help but wonder if John and Mary would have stayed together though.. Especially if these truths ended up coming out.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:34 AM
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I think it would have been different had Mary lived, John wasn't a perfect man before the fire but he did seem to be a more active and noticeably loving father.

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I can't help but wonder if John and Mary would have stayed together though.. Especially if these truths ended up coming out.
I don't think they would have, John loved her that much was obvious but finding out the person you built a life with has been lying to you for years and practically living a second life (and had sold your unborn child) is a pretty big deal breaker for a lot of couples. And even if he didn't find out what she was doing, we learned in s5 that their marriage had some common lead to divorce problems with fights, John drinking and even leaving the house for days, unless they went to marriage counseling the chances are high they would have ended up divorced.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:57 PM
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I can't help but wonder if John and Mary would have stayed together though.. Especially if these truths ended up coming out.
I can't really see it, especially since she was lying to him for years.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:28 PM
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I think it would have been different had Mary lived, John wasn't a perfect man before the fire but he did seem to be a more active and noticeably loving father.



I don't think they would have, John loved her that much was obvious but finding out the person you built a life with has been lying to you for years and practically living a second life (and had sold your unborn child) is a pretty big deal breaker for a lot of couples. And even if he didn't find out what she was doing, we learned in s5 that their marriage had some common lead to divorce problems with fights, John drinking and even leaving the house for days, unless they went to marriage counseling the chances are high they would have ended up divorced.
Yep! I totally believe this.

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Old 07-12-2018, 08:53 PM
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I do wonder if they had ended up divorced who would have gotten primary custody of the boys

The beginning of it all! They all looked so young
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