[Movietime Blues]

[img]smilies/wave.gif[/img] I get to start a thread and it's the 100th. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/party.gif[/img] [img]smilies/spinface.gif[/img]

OK. This is what I'm talking about when I came up with the title. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] In the past, I would understand why they would take the money but they're supposed to be in better financial position with their new ground and Euro 2004 not far away. However, neither president of either side have confirmed nor denied the transfer. So it may be just a rumor for the time being.

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[JavaJunkie01]

About that article ... heh, just like United not to comment. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Don't really know much about Ronaldo but we do need another striker. If Ruud van Nistelrooy was injured at all last season we would have been in the toilet.

Originally posted by T: <STRONG>Yeah. For me it was even worse than I expected.. I mean back in Euro 2000 I had actually wanted Italy to win (mostly becuase of my brother's influence as I hadn't followed football much before that).. so being on France's side was rather new to me.. and then that happened.. having read all about Zizou really looking forward to the WC, then him being injured for the most part, then playing while still slightly injured against Denmark which is never a good idea, and that one shot oh his that went oh so close there... meh, really shouldn't think about it. I think my france supporting is pretty much cursed, heh. The very first match where I was on their side was a friendly that had caused more bad feelings than good and that was all before the kick off. It was that Australia - France friendly a year and a half ago maybe.. it was right in the middle of the season and all the France players had to to make that pretty much unnecessary trip to the otherside of the world.. well, not a wonder they weren't that much inclined towards playing with all their hearts, but still.. they went and lost 1-0.. And now that they won Confederations Cup, you can't even really call it winning a cup because of Foe and all the feelings that made the final what it was.. Anyways, that's not too bitter [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]. I was actually rather apathetic about the final. I couldn't even be bothered to really get into it. It was an classroom example of a anticlimax as far as I was concerned. </STRONG>

I saw France play against Italy at the Stade de France in 98 and ever since then I've been partial to them. I'm not going to pretend to be a huge supporter or anything but I do want them to do well and actually wanted them to win in 98 even before England was knocked out ( that was before I fell in love with the English game [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ). In 02 I wanted them to get farther than most other teams to an extent, but obviously that didn't happen. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
The Confederations Cup final I thought was boring. I tried watching it but after seeing Henri miss again and again I got frustrated and just tuned in for the last bit. It seemed like no one's heart was really in it from either side so I didn't think it was an incredibly satisfying victory for France.
All I know was that Ronaldo scored two goals in the 02 final and I saw one of them on some Top 10 Goals of the WC thing. Everyone was making such a huge deal out of it but it wasn't that great of a goal IMO [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] The other player easily could've scored but was being polite.

<STRONG>About Becks and the fans thing - that got me thinking (dangerous, I know).. not sure how to phrase this, but anyways... I know there are probably a lot more people saying they're Real supporters now, but I'd still make the distinction that they may support Real in matches, but they're not Real supporters. Maybe it reeks of snobbisms, but I just think there's a bit more to it than just going "oh, [insert player name] plays for [insert club name] now? then I'm a [insert club name] fan". I certainly don't know where the line that separates the two goes. Hell, I don't even know when I crossed it, but I know that I did. That's good enough for me *g*.

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I agree. Just because someone likes a player doesn't mean they support the club. What a lot of people don't realize is that they can just say I'm a [insert name of player here] supporter and people will be fine with that. There's a lot more to being a club supporter than just liking a player or two and occasionally looking up match results in the Sunday paper. I know someone a lot older than me, who claims to have grown up loving United, lives in London and yet has never managed to see Old Trafford. You would think someone who is in his late forties/early fifties could have at some point dragged himself down to Manchester to see a team he apparently loves. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
There's another kind of 'supporter' that bugs me. There are about four girls in my class who are shamelessly in love with Michael Owen ( they all heard about him from me during the WC [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] ). So they claim to be Liverpool supporters. Why can't they just say "Michael Owen is hot"? Why? They don't have to buy club posters and plaster them all over the walls. I asked one of them if they knew who Steven Gerrard was recently and she honestly had no clue. She thought I had made him up. [img]smilies/look.gif[/img] [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] At least it gave me a good laugh.
I'm definately not trying to sound all-knowing or snooty or anything, it's just that people need to realize that there's no shame in supporting or admiring a player ( I like a lot of players who don't play for 'my' team, even rival teams, like Steven Gerrard [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] ). There is no rule that says you have to automatically support the club if you like a player there. If you grow to support them, great! But it's not real to just stand up and decide, "I think I'll start being a football fan today ... how about I support [insert club name here]"

Wow ... that was long. [img]smilies/blush.gif[/img]

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[Kitten Kisses]

I'm with you on that JavaJunkie and Dexa and T from the last thread on all the things your saying... It's very smart thinking.
You can't be a fan of a club if you'r only into a player... I'm proud to say I'm a Beckham supporter but that was also my beginning to become a Manchester United supporter about 8 years ago. If I'd lived in London I would've gone to a lot to Old Trafford. I need to start saving money because I'm going to get to Old Trafford one day. One of my biggest dreams... And see Man U against Real would be really something... I've been a fan of Real for quite a while, before Beckham joined. But I'm not a supporter of them...

I'm sure you know the difference [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

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Thanks for starting the new one MD [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. Could you edit the banner into the first post? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. S made it and we're quite attached to it *G*

Dexa: Yeah, I totally agree with you, cos there's this case of my friend's sister. She says now that she's a R.Madrid supporter just cos Beckham is in it and that makes me mad cos I'm a real supporter, I mean Im a supporter of the team not of a player..And worst of all is that she was supposed to be a Valencia c.f supporter so is not possible to change in that way..She's just a becks supporter and thats all..But I went mad cos to be a real supporter you have to feel the colours (ok thats a word-for-word translation from a spanish saying so I dont know if it has the same meaning in english.. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] ) But it gets on my nerves when someone becomes a supporter so easily and even worse when that someone was supposed to be supporting an "enemy" team. Im a R.Madrid supporter since I was a child so I dont think anyone in a minute could love this team the way a real supporter does.

Feel the colours definitely makes sense [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]. Or in our case, colour is probably enough *G*. Poor you though! I've avoided bandwagon fans quite easily - I just don't know any people who even care about the sport!! Well, outside my family that is and they care just enough to watch the Finland games when they're on and sometimes come with me to the the Olympic stadium.. but that's it.

Piper - Heh, I wouldn't say I'm a huge France supporter either, just like them a lot (Zizou, Makelele & Mexes factor did me in and the rest aren't too shabby either [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]) and would like them to do well [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. I'd say their their my third favourites: first comes Finland of course, then Spain.

Yep, meaningless (in terms of playing - the gesture was good imo) and boring - those are good words for the Conf. cup final.

Oh? I had the WC final on and I was trying to watch it, but from what I remember, not too succesfully.. so I ended up surfing the net.. anyways, point was to say that I'm sure I saw both goals, but I certainly don't remember either being all that special [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]. One was Kahn's fault from what I do remember, but the other? No recollection at all.. Must have been one of those "decent, but it was in the final, so it must be upgraded to great" goals..

And that wasn't long at all [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]. Heh, the girls at my poly probably don't all even know who Owen is ;lol:. Beckham yes, but there's no Beckham fan club either thank god *g*. Not really a wonder though since the people are all aged upwards from 21 so the biggest *squeal*OMG*squeal* age is over [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img].

Agree on the "it's okay to like a player too" point too. Nothing to be ashamed there. So they should really get it that there's no need to act like you love the whole club.

Didn't recognice Gerrard's name? Good grief [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img]

[T]

Ah, most interesting. Q has said that Real should definitely buy a new defender. I'm liking the man more and more *G*

AS has a poll about who they should get, the nominees:



(love Mexes' expression there [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] )

Hmm, Heerenveen is playing a friendly against Villareal tonight. I wouldn't mind Väykkä making an impression and perhaps moving a bit further south *wink, wink*

And just got this link from newsnow.. so yeah, may be that Macca will leave before the new season after all.. The bit there that said that Munitis' agent had stated that he was looking to moving away right now made quite the happy person *G*.

[Anabela]

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Originally posted by T: <STRONG>Ah, most interesting. Q has said that Real should definitely buy a new defender. I'm liking the man more and more *G*</STRONG>

Definitely, the man's not blind. Anyone with decent eyesight can tell Real needs a defender.

Anabela

[+Sarah+]

Hey all [img]smilies/wave.gif[/img]

Thanks for the new thread MB [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Would appreciate if you could add the banner there [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Ahh, Mexes would definitely be a great acquisition [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

I agree that the new rule sounds like it can abused. I know Juventus did that against Inter the other day [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

eh, they did? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]:/

[T]

[img]smilies/wave.gif[/img] Anabela & S

Originally posted by Vitalogy: <STRONG>Definitely, the man's not blind. Anyone with decent eyesight can tell Real needs a defender.</STRONG>

Yes, certainly. My point just is that it's another thing for a man on Perez's payroll to say it as straight out loud as Q did (especially considering what happened with DB) when Perez has made it rather clear that he doesn't see it as a priority.

S - yeah, he would be. Though I think they're still rather cautious about going after him becuase as far as I've heard, he's still in the middle of that legal dispute with Auxerre...

[Movietime Blues]

T, +Sarah+

Just added the banner for you. And the news I alluded to earlier is official.

[T]

Thanks MB [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img].

Yeah, I saw that at Newsnow too, hmpf.

I can't wait for a time when the Real Madrid Newsfeed won't be full of bloody Manu news [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]. I'm just getting damn tired of shifting through the news titles that have nothing to do with Real even though they're in Real's newsfeed... Though I guess that won't be for a very long time now that that Ronaldo moved [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[BB.]

Thanks for starting thread No. 100 MB [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] We have done well - a great achievement! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

T, I would definitely prefer Mexes or Samuel. Btw, didn't Yepes move to a European club not so long ago?

S, Materrazzi said in an interview that he was rather confused about the new off-side rule - and he referred to one of Juventus' goals (the second perhaps) [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]


BB

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[JavaJunkie01]

Originally posted by Kitten Kisses: <STRONG> You can't be a fan of a club if you'r only into a player... I'm proud to say I'm a Beckham supporter but that was also my beginning to become a Manchester United supporter about 8 years ago. If I'd lived in London I would've gone to a lot to Old Trafford. I need to start saving money because I'm going to get to Old Trafford one day. One of my biggest dreams... And see Man U against Real would be really something... I've been a fan of Real for quite a while, before Beckham joined. But I'm not a supporter of them... I'm sure you know the difference [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]</STRONG>

David Beckham also got me into the Manu scene but now I'm too attached to both to let either go. [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img]
Oh man ... Real v Manu at Old Trafford ... I'd love that. The definition of world class football. [img]smilies/sigh.gif[/img] I've wanted to see a United home game desperately for a while now too. Maybe I should start saving up as well. It's impossible though, 442 and all the other imported football magazines are so expensive here and I can't save up while they're still around [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img]

Originally posted by T: <STRONG>Piper - Heh, I wouldn't say I'm a huge France supporter either, just like them a lot (Zizou, Makelele & Mexes factor did me in and the rest aren't too shabby either [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]) and would like them to do well [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. I'd say their their my third favourites: first comes Finland of course, then Spain.</STRONG>

France would probably be my third favorites too after England and the US. I like the Republic of Ireland too. But either way, I love the way France plays pretty much all the time.

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I had the WC final on and I was trying to watch it, but from what I remember, not too succesfully.. so I ended up surfing the net.. anyways, point was to say that I'm sure I saw both goals, but I certainly don't remember either being all that special [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]. One was Kahn's fault from what I do remember, but the other? No recollection at all.. Must have been one of those "decent, but it was in the final, so it must be upgraded to great" goals.

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It was more of a "let's give the ball to Ronaldo so he can have all the glory" kind of goal. And then it was upgraded cause it was in the final. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img]

Oh ... and this was mentioned a little in the articles posted about the Portuguese Ronaldo. It's been a busy day for Sir Alex I guess. article

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Congrats, everyone, on 100 threads. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] On topic, this:

Crewe 2-0 Wrexham Dean Ashton and Steve Jones both found the net as Crewe sealed a place in round two of the Carling Cup with an unconvincing win over Wrexham at Gresty Road. Brian Carey almost scored early in the match when but his header from six yards was directed close to Crewe goalkeeper Clayton Ince, who easily saved. Striker Lee Jones also tested Ince with an ambitious effort from long distance. It took Crewe until the 40th minute to create a decent opportunity, but Andy Dibble comfortably smothered Dave Brammer's attempt. But Wrexham were caught out with 54 minutes gone when Crewe's forward line finally clicked to earn a penalty. Darren Ferguson ended a good attack by bringing down Ben Rix inside the area and Ashton stepped up to calmly convert the spot kick. Wrexham fought to get back into the match, but their luck deserted them when Hector Sam's brilliant volley crashed back off the woodwork. The result was sealed when Jones steered home an audacious 35-yard lob with two minutes to go and Carey was then dismissed for a second bookable offence. Crewe: Ince, Wright, Moses, Foster, Vaughan, Lunt, Brammer, Cochrane, Rix, Jones, Ashton. Subs: Bankole, Varney, Robinson, McCready, Bell. Wrexham: Dibble, Carey, Lawrence, Pejic, Carlos Edwards, Paul Edwards, Whitley, Ferguson, Thomas, Llewellyn, Lee Jones. Subs: Whitfield, Holmes, Morgan, Crowell, Sam. Referee: Trevor Parkes (W Midlands).

Not sold on the "... unconvincing win" part of the article ... we need to perform better than that should Ipswich be beat this weekend.

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[T]

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Originally posted by BB.: <STRONG>T, I would definitely prefer Mexes or Samuel. Btw, didn't Yepes move to a European club not so long ago?</STRONG>

Yeah, I'd like Mexes too. Gotta hope the gets cleared soon. Don't have any idea about Yepes, sorry.

Piper - I guess I should really start saving for a Bernabeu trip too *g*. I certainly don't have any football mags coming in the way of that because there just aren't any mags here that concentrate on Spanish football which is just simply wrong. The only expensive import mag that I indulge in every once in a while is Computer Arts [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img]

Hee, great to have another sould here who knows how to really appreciate France's play [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img].

Ahh, one of those goals [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] indeed [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img]

Dan - well, even if it was unconvincing, still good to hear they won [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img].

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Sporting Life: BLUES MOVE IN FOR MAKELELE - AGENT By From Paul Giblin, PA International, Madrid Real Madrid midfielder Claude Makelele could be on his way to Chelsea after his agent held talks on Wednesday with the Spanish club with a view to pushing through the transfer. Agent Marc Roger was at the Bernabeu and said that Chelsea had offered £7million for the 30-year-old central midfield player. There was no firm comment from Madrid, whose spokesman said: "There is nothing official." Chelsea's billionaire Russian owner Roman Abramovich hinted earlier this week that his spending is far from finished, despite a summer outlay of £75million. Roger spoke to reporters outside the Bernabeu, saying that Makelele was keen to join Chelsea and claiming his wages would double to £2million per season with the London club. "Unless Madrid improve his salary," Roger said, "next Monday will be his last day at the club."

If that's true, then good riddance. Sure we'll be *****ed, but rather that than listen to him whining. That'd mean, no, I've still not forgiven him completely for the comments about how he deserves the kinda pay Zizou & co gets. Sure he does a hell of a lot of work and all, but as long as he doesn't bring in as much as the ones he was talking about...

Just checked AS, they're saying they offered 10 million euros and Real said thanks, but no thanks. No big surprise.