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Old 05-27-2019, 04:09 PM
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The Gospel of Josephine [6X05] Episode Discussion (Airdate: 05-28-19)

6x05: The Gospel of Josephine

Tuesday, May 28 | 9:00pm EST


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Jordan (Shannon Kook) investigates Sanctum. Meanwhile, Octavia (Marie Avgeropoulos) and Diyoza (guest star Ivana Milicevic) discover the threats of the new planet firsthand. Lastly, Bellamy (Bob Morley) and Clarke (Eliza Taylor) butt heads. Paige Turco, Lindsey Morgan, Richard Harmon, Tasya Teles and Shannon Kook star. The episode was directed by Ian Samoil and written by Georgia Lee (#605). Original airdate 5/28/2019.







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TFTNT, April! Extra excited for this one.
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I feel more excited for this one than I have for the past couple. Maybe because I’m excited for Eliza to “get to paint,” as Richard referred to it.
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TFTNT

I’m actually really nervous about this one because it has so much hype, feel like someone is gonna die.
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I'd be surprised. I think it's mainly being hyped for Eliza's acting.
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Imagine they kill Clarke
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They want us to believe they already did, but . . . come on.

The hype that this was one of the best episodes of the series was . . . not to be believed, IMO. But I would say it’s probably my favorite of the season so far.
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Yeah, Jason definitely overhyped it, even with regards to Eliza's acting. She was alright, but it wasn't anything spectacular to me.
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I think 5x01 was a far superior performance, if I’m being honest.

It was a good episode, though. None of the episodes this season have jumped out to me as spectacular yet, though. Typically the first episodes of a season aren’t my favorites (except for in season 5).
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I’m looking forward to next week more, looks like lots of Echo and away from Bellamy which is needed right now.
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Obviously I can't say that I'm excited for Echo, but her away from Bellamy would be a good move. God, those episode promos are so freakin' useless, though. Like, all season long, we might as well not even have had any. And then there's Riverdale, which gets, like, a full 30 second promo.



Copy/pasted from the other thread, so I might reference some previous posts I made on the other board:



This was a good episode, probably my favorite of the season so far. But was it one of the best episodes of the series as Jason hyped? No, not by a long shot for me. I liked that we had one big central plot going on, along with the continued Octavia/Diyoza subplot. And we had a smaller group of characters to focus on within that plot. The ones who weren’t needed for the storyline just weren’t there. (Everyone knows I’m fine with no Echo in an episode, and no Emori is nothing new. But it’s kind of sad that, at this point this season, I’m fine with a Raven-less episode. Like, I didn’t miss her at all.)


Josephine: Wow, I really can’t stand her already. Kudos to Eliza for evoking a strong reaction in me (and my mom, as you’ll see at the end). However, I honestly think Eliza’s 5x01 performance is stronger. She was great as Josephine, but I feel like I’m comparing her to Nina Dobrev playing two characters for the vast majority of her time on The Vampire Diaries, and Nina Dobrev was just at another level with that. Anyway, back to Josephine . . . she’s pretty much a brat, and she has very little regard for human life (reminiscent of Cage Wallace), so I feel like I have no reason to like her. (I wasn’t loving her in the 5x02 flashback, either.) It’s like I said earlier, by making death meaningless, the Primes have also made life meaningless.

I enjoyed getting to watch Eliza dance around as her, and the Ferrari line, but other than that . . . down with Josephine! At first, I was hoping she’d flirt with Bellamy, just because I want to see Eliza and Bob making sexy eyes at each other, but as I got to know Josephine, I was like, “Um, no, stay away from my man Bellamy.” But now she’s targeting Murphy. Great. I wonder how long she’ll have to keep up this charade.

My mom got me to thinking about something when I talked to her just now: I’m really hoping that somehow, Clarke being a manufactured night blood makes her experience as a host different, makes it so that she can’t sustain Josephine or that she can fight back or something. I don’t know. They make up the rules of night blood as they go, so surely they could make this up.


Bellamy: As I thought about who would figure it out first, I thought . . . it just has to be Bellamy. It can’t be anyone else. It needs to be someone who cares about Clarke on a deep level, who really knows her and loves her. And sadly, that leaves us about three options. One of those options is consumed with saving Kane and hasn’t been close to Clarke in a long time. One of those options is excited about her first day of school. And even if they hadn’t been distracted, I still knew it was going to be Bellamy. It’s just fitting. And so sad. Throughout the whole episode, it was obvious that he knew something about Clarke was off. But he didn’t want to accept the truth until he had no choice. That’s pretty heartbreaking. The way he went about it was smart, though. I swear, Bellamy never gets enough credit for being smart. He’s smart to be thinking about how they might be able to build their own settlement, too. (Kind of love how he’s all excited about it and trying to get Murphy on board.)

As proud as I am of Bellamy for evolving, I kind of loved Jordan’s line to him about preferring “heart over head Bellamy” because . . . I love that passionate, impulsive emotional mess of a man, and sometimes I miss him. And I hope that we might see a bit of a re-emergence of that now that Clarke’s been taken over.

Where even is Bellamy right now? Where’d Josephine take him? He must be horrified.


Murphy: Well, this is an interesting storyline. As I said in a previous post, yes, this makes sense because he’s always had a strong self-preservation instinct (i.e. “the cockroach”), but we can’t forget that we’ve also seen instances of him thinking of others and their well-being, too. So to simply boil him down to the guy who’s willing to do anything to survive is kind of an injustice to his character, I feel. There are other sides to him, and though it would be in character for him to try to find a way to survive and escape this “hell” he believes he’s seen, I want to see another aspect of his character win out. Again, as I said in a previous post, he may not be the biggest Clarke fan/supporter out there right now, but Clarke still saved his life and has now apparently died. And Bellamy’s still not going to be okay with all of this, and Bellamy’s probably the closest person to Murphy besides Emori. I want to see Murphy double-cross her so badly. You don’t want to go to hell, Murphy? Then don’t try to cheat death. Try to do better in your life. It certainly doesn’t help that Josephine has caught him at a point in his life where he’s been drinking a lot, though. That makes him more susceptible to what she’s telling him.


Jordan: Quite possibly the episode MVP. I’m debating between him and Bellamy and Diyoza. Shannon continues to play Jordan with such an air of innocence about him. When he was crying as he was watching that video, it just makes sense. (I believe I said this in a previous post, too, but it just makes sense that it would be so emotional for him compared to the others because he hasn’t witnessed the brutality that they have witnessed. Plus, he was probably picturing that happening to Delilah.) He deserves major credit for being the one to not let go of his questions and suspicions. Seriously, though, HOW on earth was no one else suspicious prior to Naming Day? How were these conversations not happening beforehand? But I digress. Anyway, I like this character, as he just seems very kind and compassionate, just like his parents, and I feel him creeping up into my top 10. Diyoza might be moving up to #9, and if Jordan is my new #10, that means I have to push Emori out.


Gaia: “Respect their faith.” Oh my god, Gaia! It’s a perverse “faith” that you should be asking questions about! And I loved that Murphy dropped the truth bomb on her that the conclave was a stupid way to choose a leader and that Becca wasn’t a god, either.


Madi: I can give Madi a pass on not realizing something was wrong with Clarke, because Madi’s a kid, and she was excited about her first day of school. (I loved seeing that side of her.) But wait now . . . isn’t Madi supposed to have all the “wisdom of the commanders” up in her head? Shouldn’t all these so-called “wise” commanders be clueing her in to something be wrong about this whole Prime situation? Or at the very least, clueing her in to something being wrong about Clarke? Honestly, here’s what we need to do: Take every flame/chip/mind drive/whatever and just smash them at the end of the season, and let people just be themselves, because these things have caused more harm than good and really create some plot inconsistencies.


Russell: Not much to say about him this episode, except that he reminds me a lot of Dante Wallace with his insistence on free will, like how Dante didn’t want to force Skaikru to be bone marrow donors. (But Josephine was right that he didn't allow Clarke free will. He's a hypocrite. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Russell had to kill his daughter? (Side note: I love that his wife was like, “Don’t make us regret bringing you back.” Harsh, but deserved.)


Octavia: If that goo wasn’t a perfect metaphor for what Octavia’s done to herself, then I don’t know what is. She just makes things harder on herself. With that said . . . SMART writing decision to pair her up with Diyoza, because Diyoza is the perfect person to “rehabilitate” her, if you will. And Octavia, I don’t know what you did to deserve Diyoza coming back for you, but thank your lucky stars that you have her on your side for now. Also, wtf is going on with her old, wrinkled hand now? I have no theories. Completely clueless.


Diyoza: I think I have to bump her up to #9 on my favorites list. Have to. She just continues to be awesome, and Ivana is absolutely one of the strongest actors on the show. She just totally embodies that character. I’m glad they kept her around. She really adds a lot. Pretty amazing of her to go back for Octavia and save her, too, given Octavia’s attitude towards her in season 5. And the woman is doing all of this while pregnant. She just slays. I don’t know what else to say. I think the whole fandom is just really enjoying her, and it’s nice to have something we agree on.


Xavier: I don’t really know what to say about him. I don’t have a strong sense of his character yet, or how I feel about him.


Abby: I’m very torn here. On the one hand, I like that she was admitting that she did awful things in the bunker, but then she’s dragging Jackson into it, too . . . I don’t know why she always feels the need to compare her wrongdoings to someone else’s. But I did like what she said about Kane being good, because . . . well, I know that Kane has received some criticism in this thread, too, but Kane did take a moral stand against what Octavia was doing. And yes, I know Octavia had to do it, and I really don't fault her for the cannibalism at all. That's, like, so totally not what the issue is to me. Kane's not perfect, but I think he fundamentally is good. And I’m glad she’s working on a way to save him, because I do still love Kane, but . . . I think Abby and Kane could leave the show at this point. I really do. I don’t see a point for them any longer. Abby and Clarke might as well be a non-existent bond. It’s never done much for me, and it’s not doing much for me now. Will Abby remember the handwriting thing? (Interesting detail to include, btw.)


Episode MVP: I think I’m going with . . . Jordan? Oh, I don’t know. Yeah, sure. Just edging out my boy Bellamy. Because even though Bellamy would have figured out something was going on with Clarke, he wouldn’t have been able to piece together what exactly that something is without Jordan sounding the alarm that something needed to be investigated here.

6x01: Bellamy
6x02: Murphy
6x03: Clarke
6x04: Diyoza
6x05: Jordan


**** My Mom Said: (Her boss wasn’t around, so she said a lot. I just typed as he talked. She's very upset about Clarke.)

I don’t like this storyline particularly well. I want Clarke in her own body. It’s really bugging me.
I’m thinking, ‘No, they didn’t kill Clarke.’ I don’t know if I could still watch it if they killed her off.
I knew Bellamy would be the one to figure it out. It’s because he loves her.
How is Bellamy supposed to develop a relationship with Clarke if she's not even herself right now?
And where is Bellamy now?
Maybe Clarke not being a true night blood will play into this somehow. Maybe she won’t be able to remain a host.
What is that with Octavia at the end? She’s all covered in that goo stuff. I’m so confused.
I like the pregnant one.
I also feel that Delilah will come back, too, and that she’ll be part of the story more.
It may be your favorite episode of the season so far, but it’s not mine because I want Clarke being Clarke.
But I was glad Bellamy figured it out.
All they have Richard (corrects herself and says Murphy) doing is drinking. (He’s Richard to me! That’s just how I know him!)
Huge Clarke fan here. Wants Clarke back. But Eliza Taylor very versatile and is doing a good job.
I did like the part where she was dancing around.
When is Kane coming back?
Now seriously, where is Bellamy?
Is she gonna breed with Murphy?
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I think that she probably stowed Bellamy away in some room. After all, the Primes have a whole castle at their disposal.
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