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Old 05-18-2017, 10:49 AM
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That doesn't sound like a synopsis for S4 I heard that Tom Felton is back though

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i'm not certain if mentioning something is entirely going out of your way for someone.....
No, it's not. My point is that Caitlin and Iris don't have an imbalanced relationship. They care very little about each other outside of the occasional scene. You were making it sound like Caitlin has been wronged by everyone because she's helped and supported them a bit more than they did her. I completely disagree with that.

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yes, but admittedly, that was somewhat of self interest. not saying it wasn't genuine but her encouraging her when stopping the spread of decay was in some part based on self preservation. i'd have done the same thing, but it doesn't make it some big act.
Not a big act. Still more than what the hero of the show did in that occasion. I was equating Iris' support of Caitlin to Barry's.

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joe's actions, while not directly or intentional, lead to her dying.
Joe indirectly causing her death does not compare to Caitlin purposely putting Iris in danger.

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yes - and again - if used, that could have made for some interesting drama and intrigue. there could have been a confrontation about that about her jeopardizing iris and about her potentially not trusting them to actually save her, etc... but instead.... nothing. which is kind of my larger point. the character basically amounts to........ nothing.
In this case it's her "sins" that amount to nothing. It's only Iris' life we're talking about I honestly got racist undertones in the writing for that episode. A black kid gets ostracized. A grown white woman is not held accountable for risking the life of another woman who just happens to be black. To me the show was trying to protect Caitlin and give her the sympathetic edit, not saying that the character amounts to nothing.

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i'm sorry but i have to laugh. a character where one "regular" cast member they interact with other than seasonal guest stars who routinely die - generally right in front of her -and or leave is not someone i'd ever consider to be treated pretty well.
She's not treated pretty well by the show, she's treated pretty well by the other characters. Again, when Barry doesn't want to sleep with Iris, she has no-one to support and comfort her unless it's plot-related. See Barry comforting Iris over Eddie one year after his death and only because the show had to move forward with WestAllen. Caitlin always has someone with the Zoom kidnapping maybe being the exception and it's not like that story lasted half a season.

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you mean kinda like when caitlain watched "jay" get killed right in front of her and then i was implied everyone but cisco just up and left?

or when after nearly dying before technically "dying" this season, everyone just kind of up and left except cisco and the recurring character of the season?
Cisco and the recurring character of the season is still someone. No-one hugged Iris after she lost Eddie. Iris had to comfort Joe after he spilled the beans on Francine. She cried alone on a stairwell when Joe and Barry had their "How's Iris?" scenes but couldn't be bothered to talk to her. No. Forcing Barry on Patty was the priority

And Iris is the female lead so the fact that she and Caitlin get treated equally is laughable in itself. The fact is, Iris is treated worse when it comes to grief and support unless Barry wants to get in her bed. Again, it's laughable and insulting.

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i mean... she's still the only character who no we've never seen anyone else met their parents or remaining parent / family. we obviously met francine, cisco's parents/dante, henry, - she went off on her own and all we got was a line from cisco about what her mom said. and then was nearly turned into a science experiment.
Iris is the female lead and her main love interest never met her mom. Let that sink in. Barry and Iris grew up without their mothers, bonded over that and he never met Francine. Season 2 was atrocious.

I agree that the writing fails Caitlin, that she has little character development and importance in the overall story but look at how outright insulting the writing for Iris is when Barry has his eyes elsewhere. Even though the show is horrible to Caitlin, I think the writers are more considerate to her considering that a) she's not the love interest of the protagonist and b) she's a supporting character. Of course, that is a pretty low bar to meet.
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Old 05-18-2017, 02:45 PM
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seeing as we're never going to agree. on anything other than the writing is not great... might as well move on.


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consider me surprised he's back. simply from a financial stand point, that's surprising that they can pull that off. good for him





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the one thing i will add is that it wasn't that scene that i meant caitlain amounts to nothing as a character. not in that scene, sequence or episode. as a character on the show, over the past season or season and a half. that was my meaning. it had nothing to do with that episode.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:46 PM
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It may be for the best. The idea that there's this one character that is somehow more deserving of love, support and help from everyone is making me rather uncomfortable.

It sounds more like a synopsis for S3

I'm happy because I love the actor and enjoy the character. I just hope they have more in store for him. He had some promise as a CSI but fell victim of the STAR Labs curse I really really wish they'd demote some characters to recurring though.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:26 PM
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It does sound like S3. I think the wrong one was released. ;-//
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:58 PM
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it most certainly is. as for the rest... just whatever. i won't bother replying.



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fair enough regarding the synopsis . i find more curious they'd release that much information before the finale with potential for spoilers etc - less than 48 hours after the cliff hanger ending of 3x22. obviously iris' fate but also i don't believe there had been an official announcement regarding tom yet, perhaps i am mistaken





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i like the actor but knew either way what he was destined for. he was eiher going to be the big bad or caitlain's LI. almost nailed both.
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Old 05-26-2017, 02:47 AM
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Wow so much happened in here since last here
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:56 AM
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I feel the same way
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:53 PM
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I feel the same way
Don't think I'm gonna back read

So I think Barry may be returned as a cliffhanger at the end of 4x01, would be shocked if he's already back when the show returns

Thinking 4x01 will start off with a huge villain or the season main villain forcing Speed|Force to release him
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Old 05-28-2017, 06:26 PM
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I wonder who will replace him in the Speed Force..
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Old 05-28-2017, 07:59 PM
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Don't think I'm gonna back read

So I think Barry may be returned as a cliffhanger at the end of 4x01, would be shocked if he's already back when the show returns

Thinking 4x01 will start off with a huge villain or the season main villain forcing Speed|Force to release him
I hope nit i think they wiuld maybe do afew months afterwards
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:42 PM
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I hope nit i think they wiuld maybe do afew months afterwards
I just don't see the show keeping Barry away for long I don't see anymore than 4x01 - always a time jump, hell even Arrow is gonna do their regular [6 months?] jump than reference back to its cliffhanger
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Old 05-29-2017, 12:49 AM
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I just don't see the show keeping Barry away for long I don't see anymore than 4x01 - always a time jump, hell even Arrow is gonna do their regular [6 months?] jump than reference back to its cliffhanger
I prefer they dont but they do it to put strain on relationships
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Old 05-29-2017, 04:44 PM
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I prefer they dont but they do it to put strain on relationships
Unfortunately Seems CW is excelling at it unfortunately
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I don't think he will be there for long, just like I feel we will see Mon-El pretty quick too!
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Unfortunately Seems CW is excelling at it unfortunately
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