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But as I agreed before, I was disturbed that Jamie offered himself like that, after what he had experienced. I also agreed with John that it was actually pretty insulting to JG...as though he would just take whatever he could get, even from someone who had clearly recoiled from him. I was disappointed and surprised that that scene happened, anyway. __________________
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So I guess many of us agree that we were surprised by that scene I think it is in the book as well. Do we have any book reader here who could explain it further?
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That didn't surprise me either. John was the only red coat who was nice to Jamie. The trust build over his quarterly visits. To want a friendship with the man who looks after you is not surprising to me.
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I think the offering of sex also shows how little his character has to offer now. He is starting from scratch. He has nothing to offer, but his body and it was such a powerful moment. Even more so that it was turned down... the friendship will be built upon this value.
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I don't think it's all that odd to be friends with a gay person who wants you. As long as they're clear about it not happening and get it, it doesn't need to be an issue.
I don't know what the writers were thinking,having Jamie say that. JG would have been there for Willie either way and he was marrying Isabel. I'm surprised at how quickly Brianna changed her tune. It hasn't been that long since she was angry with Claire. If she sends Claire back, she'll never see her again. That's kind of sad.
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The trailer made me seem that way, which was surprising.
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I agree! He could have easily accepted the offer and used his new wife as a cover for his sexuality, but he didn't. |
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I really enjoyed this episode - I'm glad they're including so many of the years of Jamie's life while separated from Claire.
I read the books some time ago, and my recollection of the scene where Jamie offers himself to John in exchange for caring for Willie was similar to the portrayal in the series. IMO Jamie is coming from a place of relative weakness in terms of negotiation, when asking for something which was very important to him. From Jamie's perspective his body is the only thing he has right now to offer, having neither land nor money nor influence, nor being sure of the strength of the friendship they have. He knows that John finds him attractive, and I think this scene may be more for us than the characters. It may be showing us that even though Jamie is going to leave his son behind, which some of us may find unfortunate/distasteful, this shows us that even with the history that we know of, which John does not, Jamie would do this to secure his son's future. YMMV. |
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