Hipkarrma

Surely we'll get a little more after the big spoils were revealed at SDCC? He's filmed a few eps, spoken to the writers and EPs and is in the midst of Felicity's ep being shot, there must be some nuggets he can drop now they've announced their intent for olicity!

:pray:

vaberella

I disagree. I think that Felicity is friends with Oliver before a romantic pairing, which makes their romantic pairing the most realistic and definable. If you are looking for friendship without romance look to Oliver/Laurel this season. She is definitely and will permanently remain friendzoned (thank the Lord for small blessings). They won't be as close as Oliver and Felicity are and will be, but it's what you're looking for. Actually, Felicity has created the strongest bond with Oliver than any other woman on the show aside from his sister and mother, well that is currently alive. Shado was a good example. But this is also why I find Felicity to be a parallel of Shado in so many ways and also why the core team dynamic is a less dysfunctional one of the island one between Oliver/Shado/Slade.

Most of the women Oliver had relationships with were not really friends but women he had a sexual attraction too. He barely got to know McKenna before it was tonsil hockey. Bertinelli had the strongest relationship building outside of all of the other women. We never really saw him together with Laurel or Sara, he just was. And because "he just was", we accepted his relationship with Sara and Laurel in the present time.

Felicity is being developed around Oliver not outside of him. She always has been. I think there is something that needs to be understood. I don't want Felicity to be developed independently. Because that reads to me that she is removed from the story as Laurel is removed from the story. I want Felicity reflected in and throughout the story. In the end, I am a Felicity shipper and lover. She is my ideal. I want her presence to be reflected in Oliver and influencing Oliver. This is exactly what the writers are doing.

They have made Felicity's love interest, which in most storylines makes her a weak willed woman and drowns out the characters. Like Elena in TVD, which makes her an anchor that doesn't allow the story to progress. Felicity works instead as a compliment to Oliver. She will be feeding his growth as she goes through her own growth and then his response to these push and pull effects will then further her own growth. Why would I want her to be independent of the storyline?

That's just absurd. By doing this the writers are not only making her integral to Oliver, by writing her around him, but they are making her indispensable to the storyline. And not in a cheesy way. This is going to be epic stuff. Just for the story in general.

Yes, you are right...Olicity is Legion.

vaberella

Girl I just asked her about that stuff. So hopefully she does answer and she is so good with the fans and so responsive. I hope that in ep 5 it gets so much buzz that she is asked to come back throughout the season. I don't want this ep to be a one off ep for Felicity's mum. I want her back again a few times.

It feeds my my Smoakin' Lance ship.

Hipkarrma

If Donna is revealed to be a nice person I'm all for Smoakin Lance!!! Bring it on!!

DarkStar

I hope we get pictures from outdoor shoots.

thecatbastet

Important relationships don't have to be romantic, but Oliver and Felicity have never had a platonic - which means chaste and non-sexual - relationship. There has always been sexual attraction there, and not the kind that I have with male friends now that I'm married, which is "we could but we won't," and nobody is resiiiiiissssting, you're just grown-ups and know sex isn't worth blowing up your lives. Oliver and Felicity are two single adults who are resiiiiiisssssting and have been all along. They are the kind of couple everyone knows is inevitable and everyone around them is like guys, get together already. Nobody on the show thinks they are platonic friends. Platonic friends are not people who have to visible restrain themselves from leaping on one another, they don't have to do multiple shots to handle all their feelings, they don't vibrate at each other like that, and they don't stare into one another's eyes constantly.

find something real

that's the dream

Hipkarrma

Hey, dreams are free. Some location shots would be brilliant but a tweet or two from Charlotte or one of Team Arrow would still be great.

DorothyRules

The eyesex and shoulder porn are strong with those two...it's always been building, and it will continue to do so.

thecatbastet

Yeah, it's just...these two characters are not going to be the proving ground upon which fiction demonstrates its ability to portray a platonic friendship between a man and a woman. That opportunity never existed here. Diggle and Felicity, perhaps Roy and Felicity, yes. Between Oliver and the Lance sisters, there's the opportunity, if they're interested, to portray something far more rare in fiction than platonic friendship, though. They can portray people who used to have romantic and sexual relationships and who don't anymore, by choice, yet still enjoy each other's company and care about each other. Almost all the m/f friendships I know of between people over the age of say 27 or so are people who have at least hooked up in the past. Men who are capable of friendships with women at all are always capable of friendship with ex-gfs. Men who aren't don't see women as being interesting or valuable if there's no chance of sex, so their friendships with women are never real, just some form of attempted transaction, usually dishonest.

find something real

Today's the day! I'll be checking in on twitter at work whenever possible

oxalys

Well, they hired him for the season so I hope they liked him and it's not only because he was the only actor with more than 3 jobs on his resume that they could afford to pay . I'm sure there's been other actors in the show they liked a lot but let go or only keep as guest because they didn't have a place for them past their arc.

DarkStar

I honestly don't see a place for Ray beyond S3, not a permanent place anyway, maybe popping in for a Guest Appearance during a big event episode but that's about it.

This isn't Smallville where you could have another hero on the show and it not take away from Clark Kent. Clark was super powered to the Nth degree, having Green Arrow around couldn't diminish Clark as THE hero.

On Arrow, you have Oliver who is a normal human, putting another normal human of equal training/abilities already took quite a bit of the focus away from Oliver last season...and that is coming from a Sara fan. They've essentially set Ray up as an Oliver Clone, he's a hot, well built billionaire, he's running QC, he's got the flirty flirt going on with "Oliver's girl" and he's got a tragic past. Keeping him on beyond S3 (where his purpose is to be a Mirror for Oliver Queen) would take away from Oliver's journey, IMO.

Iluv2fly

YAAAHHHSSSSSS!!!

Poupa