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Old 12-04-2018, 04:36 PM
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What's Past Is Prologue [5.08] - 100th Episode Discussion [December 4th, 2018]

[5.08] WHAT'S PAST IS PROLOGUE
ϟ100TH EPISODE DISCUSSION ϟ



ϟ TOM CAVANAGH DIRECTS THE 100TH EPISODE ϟ
In the 100th episode, Barry (Grant Gustin) and Team Flash come up with a plan to stop Cicada (Chris Klein). However, the plan calls for Barry and Nora (Jessica Parker Kennedy) to travel back in time to gather some key necessities. However, Barry hesitates, concerned about his daughter seeing certain parts of his life. Meanwhile, Sherloque (Tom Cavanagh) takes his concerns about Nora to Iris (Candice Patton), and Caitlin (Danielle Panabaker) turns up a key asset in the fight against Cicada.
Tom Cavanagh directed the episode written by Todd Helbing & Lauren Certo (#508)
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:33 PM
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Happy 100! This was a pretty great episode

- @ Ralph playing the Back to the Future theme.

- Hello Mr. Time Wraith. Haven’t seen you in a while.

- So… Barry DOES have (or HAD?) a daughter named Dawn! Was she his daughter in the original Pre-Mamma Allen’s death future? We need to learn more about that.

- Okay, so I kinda missed shady Eo-Wells.

- Aww…. Baby!Grodd

- Nora’s a member of the Legion of Superheroes! I knew there was a reason for all those Legion references I was picking up on.

Please tell me there’s a version of Brainiac 5 in her Legion so she can bond with Earth-38’s Brainy about time travel and alternate Earths during the crossover.

- That same doctor is showing up everywhere, isn't she?

- Nora (to Barry after seeing Grandma and Grandpa Allen): Do you ever think about going back and stopping what's about to happen?
Barry: I've tried a few times already. It didn't end well. I mean... every day.

- Sherloque, how did you realize that code wasn't created by Nora? Why did you call her "clever girl" in that creepy voice? Are you also a Thawne?

- Okay, Nora – why are you hanging out with Eo-Wells?

I was kind of hoping Matt Letscher would reprise his role as Eobard in that final scene.

On a side note: Didn’t he get sucked back into the speedforce by a time wraith on Legends of Tomorrow? How is he in (I’m assuming) the Future? (Although I guess I could also be asking how he ended up on Earth-X during last year’s crossover too – unless I missed how he got away from the time wraith).
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:22 AM
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Wow. This episode had a lot of good moments. But that last scene with Barry and Nora, got me right in the feels.

“Hey, old man. Come on.”
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I loved their scenes together.

Nice callbacks to past seasons. As Cisco phrased it “it was the best of times, and the worst of times”.

Anyway, a 100th episode is meant to celebrate a show and pay tribute to it. And I honestly feel like this did exactly that. Even if they had to make it about the current storyline with Cicada.

That twist at the end with Thawne was great. Getting more and more excited for this arc.
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:57 AM
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That chat between Cisco and Thawne at the particle accelerator was awesome
"I have to say i have a vibe about you"
And that hand waving ...damn chills
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This should be tomorrow, here. Looking forward to it.
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That chat between Cisco and Thawne at the particle accelerator was awesome
"I have to say i have a vibe about you"
And that hand waving ...damn chills
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I really liked the reveals that Thawne dropped and the last scene between Barry/Nora.
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:49 PM
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I got to wonder what would have happened if Cisco vibed the dagger to another Earth instead of Outer Space.
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Old 12-05-2018, 01:16 PM
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Well, to start, I think that this ep was overhyped. What tipped me off was the fact that the co-leads didn't even bother to promote it; that was a red flag. IMHO the best ep of the series, thus far, was 4x15, & that ep wasn't even hyped by any stretch of the imagination, even though the co-leads did promote that one

First off, everything that the writers thought was supposed to be shocking was extremely anti-climatic. I think by ep 4 people were suspecting that Nora was in cahoots w/Thawne. So seeing him at the end was kindafor me. And why did NO one question her plan in the least? Where did she even get this idea? (I know it was Thawne, but why didn't the team ask?) Why didn't Iris have a least one small reservation about it? The only one who had any sense initially was Barry. And exactly where is Sherloque getting his info from? I still think that he's hiding something as well. He's not from the past, or the future, or even this earth, so what's his schtick...

When they went back to Savitar, how did Barry of that time (or even Savitar) not tell they were near? And then all of a sudden a Time Wraithe appeared? And when they encountered Zoom, why did he even go back to STAR Labs to confront Barry/Nora? That didn't happen before. The funny thing about that was when Zoom was chasing Barry/Nora, the Time Wraithe came & grabbed Zoom once again Hadn't had a good laugh w/this show for a minute...

I wonder if in the original timeline "Nora" was actually "Dawn"
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And how did Thawne (when he was about to set off the PA) know that Barry/Nora were hiding in his secret room? I know he thought someone was lurking in the hall, but knowing they were in that room doesn't. make. sense.

Another plot hole: how could Nora NOT know that her grandma was killed by Reverse Flash? I know the "Flash Museum" wouldn't tell her that, but how come her mom didn't? And exactly why did she go back to her grandparents' home at that particular moment?

All that work Barry/Nora did, & it didn't even work. What even...? And now KF "saved the day" bc she doesn't have dark matter in her system? OK, then. And there was way too little WA interaction. That for sure kills an episode.

I hope that the fallout from this will be a lot more rewarding & satisfying then this ep. It wasn't the worst, but it was hyped up way too much (& fell flat) to be considered the best.
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:15 PM
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First I loved the episode and I want to say that the editers did an amazing job in this episode.

So can someone help me with something? I thought back in season one, we saw that Wells (RF) went out of his way to create the Flash, so he could get home. The explotion, caused Barry to become the Flash. Because he needed Barry to get home. That is confusing enough, but now in the last episode, we are lead to believe he killed Nora to prevent Barry from becoming the Flash.
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And exactly where is Sherloque getting his info from? I still think that he's hiding something as well. He's not from the past, or the future, or even this earth, so what's his schtick...
Given that he has helped catch Cicada on a number of different Earths, he could have run into this writing before on a different Earth.
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Agree Popcorn71. You said all the things I couldn't even begin to...

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So can someone help me with something? I thought back in season one, we saw that Wells (RF) went out of his way to create the Flash, so he could get home. The explotion, caused Barry to become the Flash. Because he needed Barry to get home. That is confusing enough, but now in the last episode, we are lead to believe he killed Nora to prevent Barry from becoming the Flash.
He killed Nora in order to break Barry to the point he could never be the Flash. The problem is that he lost his speed and got stranded in the past soon after, so he had to create the Flash to get back to his time.
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He killed Nora in order to break Barry to the point he could never be the Flash. The problem is that he lost his speed and got stranded in the past soon after, so he had to create the Flash to get back to his time.
Thanks for the clarification. It's easy to get lost. I can not wait to see this played out further.
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