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Old 02-06-2018, 06:21 AM
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I'd like some scenes of Cisco and Caitlin having fun
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Same.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:38 PM
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tha be nice
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Old 02-07-2018, 10:48 PM
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Me too, like the iconic club scene :

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Old 02-08-2018, 03:15 AM
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That was fun.
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Old 02-11-2018, 01:15 AM
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We need more fun moments like that.
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Old 02-14-2018, 07:03 PM
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We definitely do . That's one of my all time favorites from them .
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Old 02-15-2018, 03:16 AM
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Fingers crossed to just more hang out and fun down time.
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Old 02-16-2018, 02:22 PM
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I'm finding Caitlin, Cisco and Harry without much space in the story, especially with Ralph's arrival, I'm very sad to see them with so little importance and as the season progresses, I see no change.
Cisco and Cintya were forgotten (because the actress is doing another series).
Caitlin without a romantic interest, in the view of the series producers, does not produce a good material.
Harry without the daughter aside, has become a luxury character extra in the story.
My hope is that next season (a season 5) they may have more space and good stories in the series.
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Old 02-17-2018, 03:42 PM
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It's true. It's a shame about Caitlin and Cisco. They've truly been pushed to the side for Ralph. Their dynamics with each other and others has suffered tremendously this season. The writers don't know where to place them for some reason.

For Season 5, I think introducing guest stars that nobody turns on The Flash for needs to stop. Focus on the main cast. Give Cisco and Caitlin solid storylines.
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Old 02-18-2018, 02:53 AM
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They are being pushed to the side because they are not allowed to leave their comfort zone. STAR Labs is poison

The more characters they add to the team (because they are not interested in exploring the world outside of the damn lab the moment character x gets introduced he/she automatically becomes a team member...) the more characters like Cisco and Caitlin, who originated in the lab and have next to nothing outside of it, get relegated to repetitive material and boring exposition scenes.

This is more apparent with Ralph's introduction because the writers are obsessed with him for some reason. He already has powers and got accepted as a team member in the span of an episode. Neither Wally nor Julian had this luxury. He's sadly getting the arc Vibe and Frost could be getting.

I never thought they'd do this to the KillerVibe friendship
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Exactly!

Is it budget related? Lack of creativity? Both? Rather than actually developing their characters and expanding the universe. They welcome every new character into the STAR Labs dungeon. The air of mystery has even vanished. Rinse, repeat of them standing around in the lab OR being knocked out/defeated in 0.003 secs to make Ralph relevant.

Is Vibe even a recognized hero? Ralph instantly got notoriety. Even the synposis for 4.14 is once again about Ralph.

I don't watch Arrow but they've gone overkill with the vigilantes. Arrow, Spartan, Black Canary, Mr Terrific and Wild Dog. So it could be an Arrowverse problem.

I never thought they'd do this to them either because KillerVibe was a constant. It was part of their characterization. Now, it's non-existent. The way they've chosen to handle the Killer Frost arc is part of it too. They don't want to give that arc the depth it needs so they've cheapened it, which took away from the new layer KillerVibe had to their relationship.
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:49 AM
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I believe they have budget issues but that's not a good excuse because it's up to them to decide what to use their limited budget for. It's their fault that they'd rather spend money for Ralph's special effects than, let's say, Frost's. I don't think anybody is forcing them to have five different rooms at STAR Labs but get rid of Iris' office at CCPN

Vibe is the only hero that isn't recognized by the public. They'd rather name a drink after Zoom

I agree that it's an Arrowverse problem Supergirl is also having the same issues with Mon-El + The Legion. I hope Black Lightning won't ever fall victim to the same overplayed formula because it's only s1 and Arrow/Supergirl did better in the beginning. The Flash not so much but even their s1 wasn't suffocated by STAR Labs the way the following seasons were.

I understand that as supporting characters Cisco and Caitlin can't get arcs every season and maybe this isn't their year but I wish their friendship wasn't sacrificed in the process
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Their friendship is always the one thing they had. So it sucks it's been non-existent. Especially when it's not like they've been bonding with other people. They've just been....there.

Oh yeah, I know SG suffers from the same problem.

I think since Black Lightning isn't in the verse, and has a diverse writings room. The creative juices are flowing.

Who knows maybe in 4C they'll remember they are friends again.
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Old 02-19-2018, 12:26 PM
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Who knows maybe in 4C they'll remember they are friends again.
Hopefully

Since they've established that Killer Frost is the life of the party they can have some fun scenes with her and Cisco
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