Lana's spoiler and speculation thread #21
 

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I hope we get more news soon. I am ready to know something about Regina's cursed identity.

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youre welcome guys

hope to see some spoilers soon

even if the henry regina spoiler was almost too much for me sniff

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Suz, I am not kidding you, I was literally sitting here with tears in my eyes. I am going to bawl during that scene. :bawl:

Me too. I dont want it to happen. Its gonna be so sad to see how Regina has to let henry go bawl

Lana is going to kill us. Regina looks so sad in those pics. I think Henry is leaving SB, but I don't think he's going to college. It think he's just going off to see the world. He's always been very independent. I've seen theories that at some point Henry tries to go back to SB and the town has vanished and that is how he becomes the "cynical recluse" mentioned in the character description, because he lost his entire family and doesn't know what happened to them.

what Regina and Henry scene?

They filmed a scene earlier this week with Lana and Jared where a little bit older looking Henry (maybe 18?) is on a motorcycle with his bag and Regina is looking very sad, so speculation is that it is them saying goodbye because Henry is leaving SB.

That does sound so sad! :bawl:

Been really busy but has anybody else kept up on the spoilers coming from a recent D23 Expo panel? There's some talk & confusion over whether all the characters, except Henry, are AU versions - including Regina, Hook, & Rumple? I mean, is Adult Henry going to be the only original character coming back? If so, that's going to put a huge damper on the new story for me because that would mean this new cursed AU Regina is a complete stranger to Henry, NOT the mom who raised him. :( And I was getting my hopes up for their reunion. I would just be so clueless on what would be done with Regina.

News on who Lucy's mom will be came out: she's a new version of Cinderella. I expected Lucy's mom to be a whole new character we hadn't seen, are they literally just going to respin characters they already did in different book versions? Yikes.

http://tvline.com/2017/07/15/once-up...eason-7-photo/


Also, a lot of questions asked seemed to be focused on Hook. What it meant for CS, if they had a baby, if Adult Henry & Hook could do something together because he's his step dad (maybe?), and the first couple episodes sound like they will revolve alot around Hook. The second of the new season is his centric. Disappointed not to see anything specific get asked about Regina, not even for Rumple. :pout:

Maybe Colin is the new lead then (ie. Gets 1st cast billing).

http://tvline.com/2017/07/15/once-up...a-hook-rumple/


Maybe they really are starting everything over? This would be a hard reboot, then, not a soft one like they claimed. But then Lucy's words to Henry in the s6 finale make no sense because didn't she tell Adult Henry his family needed him? An AU Hook, Regina, and Rumple would not be his family. Not his version. So confusing.

It is all very confusing!! :

I saw the news. I don't really know what to think. I don't like the idea of new versions of old characters. I don't know why they didn't just chose someone new for Henry's wife. And there is going be another version of the enchanted forest where Henry might possibly meet other versions of characters we've already seen? It feels like they've run out of ideas.

The thing I'm really confused about is whether or not our returning actors are still playing the same characters, just cursed versions, or if they are AU versions from this other Enchanted Forest. So if Lana is still the Evil Queen, is she a version of her that never went to SB and is not even Henry's mom? I think she has to be at least be an AU version of the Evil Queen because we had that promo summary a while back that said the Evil Queen, Hook, and Rumplestiltskin team up with Henry and blah, blah, something about realm traveling. So that to me indicates they are at least still playing the fairytale version of those characters. But whether or not they are the same versions we've been watching for 6 seasons seems like it remains to be seen. But why would they team up with Henry if they are not even his real family? He wouldn't be anyone to them. But Cinderella is being played by a completely different actress so you would think all AU versions would be played by different actors, so....???

Lucy's statement about Henry's family needing him could just be in reference to herself and her mother. Or it could mean the larger family. I've been assuming she meant the entire family, but maybe not.

Henry is not a strong enough character to carry the show on his own. If it were a spin-off and people were looking it as such, that might work, but they are promoting it as a new chapter of the same show so people expect what happened in the last 6 seasons to still be relevant in some way. I think the show will struggle enough even with keeping Regina, Hook, and Rumple, but if they're trying to continue without any returning characters other than Henry, I think people are going to lose interest very quickly.

Hopefully we won't have to wait until the season premiere for some clarification. Maybe we'll get some clarification from SDCC.

Sherry, yeah, they made it sound like Henry's wife is from this new Enchanted Forest and this is where the events from the s6 finale were taking place. When Adult Henry & Lucy were on the run from whatever was after them? Definitely rule out Henry running into Dark OQ there, it's not even the same Enchanted Forest, lol. It sounds like another AU version.

Yes, IF Regina, Hook, & Rumple are all AU versions, it sounds like they would still be their fairytale characters only from this new Enchanted Forest but with a different story. No Storybrooke happened to them. People are speculating this would be how the writers keep s1 - s6 intact without disrupting the happy endings|beginnings. But that kind of doesn't add up to A&E claiming they are not moving foward dismissing the first 6 seasons. If everybody BUT grown Henry is a new version of a character, it is dismissing the first 6 seasons. You are starting all over and this should technically be a spin off, not a s7 continuation. Plus, they claim SB will not be forgotten - it could pop up here or there. Why would that even be relevant for all new characters not connected to SB story?

For some of these reasons, I am still leaning towards Regina, Hook, & Rumple being our versions. I saw in one of the photographs on a spoiler site - it had a stone statue which resembled a troll holding or crushing a car figure that appeared to resemble Emma's bug (car). It looked to be at an underpass near Hyperion Heights. So, in a way, I guess Emma is acknowledged in this new place & not sure how much it would matter to do that if all these new characters never had Emma, the Savior, in their reality. So I am going to assume for now, Regina, Hook, Rumple & adult Henry remain the Hyperion Heughts characters connected to that. :shrug: Also, there would be a lot of filler required to explain why Regina might no longer be the EQ anymore or why she still is and was so easy to curse back in this new EF if she wasn't already our Regina.

I never thought about it in those terms but, yeah, you could be right. Ugh. Although, there still lies some hope in the fact that Lucy was referring to the others as well because she had the book with the picture of them inside Granny's. So I hope that is still relevant.

I just really want it to be our Regina because considering the fact we are getting a flashback scene with Jared Gilmore's Henry saying goodbye to Regina, I really want a reunion that comes full circle to that. Stranger AU Regina|Adult Henry just won't be the same and right now, the Regina| Henry relationship is the most I have to look forward to and maybe some Regina & Lucy. Don't know how I will feel about Henry's new romantic relationship until I see it.

Some people are speculating Hook might be a single dad in this new place, new cursed identity because the question was asked if CS had a child and apparently that will be addressed right away. Meanwhile, nothing revealing about Regina and she can never even get a love interest that sticks *sighs* Apparently, in filming, they saw Colin dressed in uniform so he could be a cop|dupty with the name or last name Rogers? Hm.

Thanks for all the info!

I am also assuming, unless we get confirmation otherwise, that Regina, Hook, and Rumple in season 7 are the same characters from previous seasons, just under a curse in Hyperion Heights. Otherwise, nothing from the previous seasons is even relevant anymore.

I was disappointed that Regina and Rumple were never mentioned at D23. I know Colin was there so it makes sense there would be questions for him about Hook, but A&E could have at least mentioned the other returning characters. All they've really talked about so far is Henry. I hope SDCC will be a bit more balanced.

I saw the pictures of Hook in a police uniform and I heard there is speculation that Rumple is a detective. If thery're going with a criminal justice theme (very strange choice for a fantasy show), then maybe Regina is a lawyer. Hopefully she's not in jail!

Interesting, I don't think I ran across the detective speculation for Rumple. What a choice - I wonder what the relevance is to cursing them in those particular professions (cop|possible detective)? Lol. Wish we could speculate more on Regina but there has been nothing I have run across so far. Nothing. Besides the flashbacks with younger Henry. Probably because there hasn't been outdoor filmimg with her on the Hyperion Height setting would be my guess.

I did notice they included a Mr. CLuck's as part of the outdoor setting (ie. A nod to LOST & the s4 OUAT episode with Rumple & QoD going through the drive-thru), lol, and amusingly thought about if Regina's position was stripped under the curse, she was working there, lol.

Hahaha, Regina working at Mr. Cluck's! Can you imagine how much she would hate that. I guess if the person casting the curse really has a vendetta against her, she might end up in a job like that. I'm looking for her to be in some position that has her in contact with law enforcement though. If not a lawyer, I saw someone suggest social worker, especially if Lucy is in the system and not with her mom.

Oh, social worker for Lucy is an interesting speculation. Lawyer, maybe, but yeah, I agree, I think it's probably going to depend on what kind of a vendetta this is and against whom. I am starting to suspect, though, that this new curse is probably targeted against Henry & his wife foremost so we'll see characters connected to her in Hyperion Heights and then Regina, Hook, & Rumple were taken as a slight against Henry. They are pretty immediate or close relations to him like mother, grandfather, & step-father. I bet we'll get some passing explanation that whoever did this tried to get Emma as well but it back-fired somehow. The rest of SB was probably placed under this new curse from afar, explaining why they won't age either if we ever see those characters again.

Which brings me to share my opinion on where the story could be going with Regina, Hook, & Rumple as secondary characters. To be fair, I will be patient & wait to see what comes out of SDCC but as of right now, it appears our returning originals are being very under promoted for the new season. I don't know if that's such a good sign. I mean, I get they are going to hype Henry & his romance because it is a new relationship coming to the show (ie. apparently somebody saw the character name 'Jacinda' for Dania Rameriz aka. New Cinderella) BUT I think it's being hyped too much to the point where A&E are under this impression everybody is just instantly going to fall in love with this new pairing because they compared it to the likes of Snowing. That's not how it works - people need time to see it play out first to form an opinion and I think it will be a huge mis-step if they underuse the return of Regina, Rumple, & Hook in exchange for the newbies + Adult Henry|New Cinderella. Especially considering that most of who is left from their original viewership is either not going to return and watch because of the big cast overhaul or the rest are mainly coming back because of the originals who are returning. I am starting to think maybe another poster's projection is right and our returning characters are just being used to transition the new characters into the show. We have already discussed in the past how they appear to have no new material for Regina anymore. Hope I'm wrong about that, though.

I agree. They can't expect everyone will immediately fall in love with Henry and Cinderella. I'm sure some will, but Adult Henry is not an established character on this show the way that Regina, Rumple, and Hook are. If people are bored by Adult Henry's story and they're not getting anything good for the other three, they're going to tune out. Shows in their 7th season don't get a lot of new viewers, so they're going to be relying heavily on the returning viewers sticking with the show.

I'm looking for Henry to act as the new Emma in that most of the other characters will be supporting his story in some way, but it's always been like that. Usually the other characters have still managed to have some story of their own. I expect the first few episodes to be super light on Regina. I imagine 7x01 will focus heavily on introducing Adult Henry, Cinderella, and the new town and we know 7x02 is Hook's centric.

I can live with Henry as the new main protagonist since I already know Regina is closely tied to his character and I am going into this with hope for the Regina & Adult Henry relationship ... but, like you said, we still don't know how the audience will take to the new adult iteration of Henry played by the new actor. We still have to wait and see how his chemistry is with the other characters on screen. I am in absolute agreement that if they don't balance this correctly with all their regulars it could be a problem. As long as Regina is still relevant and they give her story to explore for her character growth, I should be fine with it. Just don't treat her with the type of 'regular status' they saddled poor Belle with most of the time and I will be good.

Same for me. :nod:

Hoping 7x03 will be Regina centric to explain how she came to be in Hyperion Heights. :) 7x02 is definitely for Hook, titled A Pirate's life, and I think JMo has just flown into Vancouver for her last episode to film scenes for this episode. The premiere will probably definitely be establishing Henry first and how he got where he is.

I hope so. It would be nice if the episode title made it obvious like they did for Hook's centric. Rumple will be getting one too I'm sure. I'm selfishly hoping Regina's is first because I am just impatient. :lol:

If anyone here follows the news from SDCC this weekend and hears news about Regina, would you post here? I'm going to be out of town this weekend, which I'm actually a little bummed about because I love following SDCC coverage as it happens, but I'm going to try to check in Saturday to see if there is anything on Regina. :fingers_crossed: