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Old 03-14-2015, 02:48 PM
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Mr. and Mrs. Keen [Tom&Liz | Ryan&Megan] #3: "I love you. I just hate that there are things you have to hide from me."

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M R. AND M R S. K E E N | 3rd A P P R E C I A T I O N T H R E A D








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Tom and Elizabeth Keen are a happily married couple who are in the process of adopting their first child
when one day their whole lives change. When Liz, a profiler for the FBI starts
her new job she couldn't have imagined her whole life would turn upside down
the moment she met Raymond Reddington.
Although she promised Tom her job wouldn't get in the way of the starting a family it did.
After Tom is stabbed in their own house, Liz finds a box underneath the floor containing multiple fake passports,
a gun and money that appear to belong to Tom.
Was Red right after all? Is there a reason not to trust Tom?
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The first time we met them ღ



Quotes season 1 ღ

Tom: "We both woke up seven minutes ago. I'm pretty sure my pants are on
backwards and I can barely see straight but you are somehow dresses, composed and
as beautiful as the day I met you."
Liz: "You know I'm not gonna let this job come between us and our family right?
Tom: "I know."
Liz: "We want a family, we are going to have a family."
Tom: "Wait were you serious about that kid thing? Because I got stuff going on."
Episode 1x01




Liz: "Today is the day."
Tom: "I know. I am so proud of you. You have worked so hard for this. Are you nervous?"
Liz: "No but I am very late."
Episode 1x01



Tom: "Are you okay?"
Liz: "Yeah I'm sorry. I'm just a little distracted."
Tom: "No that's alright. I'm sitting here talking about what happened to me, like
it only happened to me but it happened to us both. It's just a little weird to be home because..
Lizzie a man came into our home."
Liz: : "I know, I'm sorry. I wish I could tell you more. I want to tell you more."
Tom: "So tell me something. Who was he?"
Liz: "He's gone, he was killed."
Tom: "So it's over?"
Liz: "Yes."
Tom: "I love you. I just hate there are things you have to hide for me."
Episode 1x03



Tom: "How you holding up?"
Liz: "Fine."
Tom: "Nice try, but I always know when you're lying."
Liz: "Really?"
Tom: "Yeah, I know all your tells."
Episode 1x04



Tom: "You are not going anywhere Liz. The people that I work for a very powerful
and I need you to tell me everything that you know."
Liz: "I don't know anything. You're hurting me."
Tom: "Dammit Lizzie do not lie to me."
Liz: "I don't know anything I swear."
Tom: "Well I wished that I believed you."
Episode 1x05



Tom: "Are you telling me, like what, like you think I murdered a KGB defector? like I'm Bond.
I'm Tom Bond and between social studies and recess I go around assassinating people."
Liz: "Some of the dates of these passports..
Tom: "You know, I can't believe that you are accusing me of this
because your job is the reason that a man came in here and cut me in half!"
Episode 1x06



Tom: "I'm not gonna sit here and.. your job, anything that is evil or bad it comes from what you do. Not what I do!"
Liz: "It's not my picture on these passports."
Tom: "Okay if you think I'm guilty then why don't you do something about it. Why don't you call the FBI?"
Liz: "Fine."
Tom: "Do it. Go ahead. Do it, you think I'm kidding? Do you think I'm kidding?"
Episode 1x06



Tom: "Why is our dining room no longer dine-able?"
Liz: "We're remodeling."
Tom: "Clearly and we're doing it at 7.00 a.m."
Episode 1x07



Liz: "It's different with you. You can trace your life to this moment. You know you have reliable records and..
Tom: "You had your dad."
Episode 1x09



Tom: "In what world is any of this okay? The fact that you don't see that, that this is somehow normal to you."
Liz: "I'm sorry."
Tom: "A man told me that he was gonna kill you. I've been attacked, been accused of murder and now people
are watching us. Apperently there are cameras in our bedroom."
Liz: "They are gone."
Tom: "Do you believe that? I need us, together and safe."
Episode 1x010



Tom: "I just wanna be a normal, boring couple. No hidden cameras, no fake passports,
no surveillance vans outside.
Liz: "So do I."
Episode 1x11



Liz: "I would quit my job if I could. I know you don't believe that."
Tom: "I'm not asking you to quit you job. I just need you to be more safe, to be more present."
Liz: "I can do that. I promise."
Tom: "And you have so many secrets and I wish you didn't cause I don't have any secrets. Expect one thing.
I may have watched the last Real housewives in my hotelroom without you."
Liz: "I know. It showed up in our Netflix."
Episode 1x12



Tom: "What did you want me to say?"
Liz: "You mad it sound like it was all my decision."
Tom: "Because it is Liz."
Liz: "What? no, we talked about this."
Tom: "I'm not asking you to be Holly homemaker Liz. It's not unreasonable to me that
you might wanna spend some time with our child at home."
Episode 1x12



Liz: "I've decided I wanna stay home for a little while. Spend some time with the baby."
Tom: "Are you serious? Can you do that? I mean, you could lose your job."
Liz: "This is more important."
Episode 1x13



Tom: "What's wrong? Are you okay?"
Liz: "I can't do it."
Tom: "Do what?... You are not ready?"
Liz: "We are not ready."
Tom: "You don't have to take time off alright? There's a lot of working moms out there
and you can do both.
Liz: "No Tom. It's us. I don't know what's wrong. I don't understand it but something is not right.
I can't have a baby right now"
Tom: "I don't know what to say."
Liz: "Honey you can't tell me that there is not one shred of doubt. One shred that wonders.. if this is broken?"
Episode 1x13



Tom: "Hey is this like an undercover thing tonight? cause if you need a partner I got some pretty good
fake ID's."
Episode 1x14



Liz: "There's nothing I can do."
Tom: "There's never anything you can do because your job has now become our life."
Liz: "What do you want me to say?"
Tom: "You don't have to say anthing. You know what I'm gonna change my ticket, I'm gonna fly out tonight."
Liz: "Tonight? what? wait."
Tom: "No I'm not gonna wait. I think some time apart might be the best thing for us."
Liz: "That is the last thing I want."
Tom: "It's not always about what you want Liz.
Episode 1x14



Liz: "Come here. Kiss me Tim or whatever your name is."
Episode 1x16



Liz: "When I went to the appartement, there was someone there. A man. He knocked me down."
Tom: "What did he hurt you?
Liz: "I'm fine."
Tom: "Are you okay? You were attacked Liz."
Liz: "The police are looking for him."
Tom: "Did you get a look at him at least?
Liz: "I wish."
Tom: "Just he thought of someone doing that to you, hurting you, some stranger."
Episode 1x17



Liz: "Two years wasted. Two years we spent. On what? Do you care at all what you've done to me?
What you've done to my life? What has it done to you? Who could do such a thing? Finding you, stoping you.
You think I'd be happy you are gonna spend the rest of your life in prison. You think I'd get some satisfaction out of that but I don't.
Because nothing, no scentence, no punishment, no revenge could ever come close to making up for what you've done.
Tom: "I was doing my job."
Liz: "Your job? That was our life. We were gonna have a baby, you begged me to have a baby."
Tom: "I was doing my job."
Liz: "Stop talking about your job. You. This. Everything was a lie. My life was a lie. Every feeling, every memory.
Say something to your wife who is dying in front of you. Say something."
Tom: "It was the shoes. I remember standing in the closet, half dressed, reaching for my shoes, when I saw that
you had draw this little heart in the dust on my shoe. You remember that? It was the sweetest thing.
And ever since that moment I just felt sorry for you because I knew. I knew that I had you."
Episode 1x19



Liz: "You've been making me pancakes for two years. I hate pancakes.
Episode 1x19






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Quotes season 2 ღ

Tom: "Looking for this?"
Liz: "I'll scream."
Tom: "Don't. Listen to me. Reddington knows where I am. He found me
and he is coming here but you need to know that you can't trust him.
He is using you and when Berlin is dead, he will kill you."
Liz: "If you're tying to help me why don't you put the gun down."
Episode 2x03



Liz: "I've been thinking about what to do with you. To tell you the truth I haven't made
a decision yet. the other day was close.
I thought about telling Reddington.
He's know what to do, but the thruth is this is my responsibility, one way or the other."
Tom: "I answered all your questions Liz. You can't hide me forever."
Episode 2x06



Tom: "What month is it?"
Liz: "November."
Tom: "Well then happy aniversary Liz."
Episode 2x07



Tom: "I delivered on my word. So when are you gonna deliver on yours?"
Liz: "We've been over this. You help me eliminate Berlin and as far as I'm
concerned this whole thing is over. Until then enjoy the view."
Episode 2x07



Tom: "You gonna turn me in Liz? Lose your job? Go to jail? The only way to
get me out of your life Liz is to let me go because if you kill me, if you go through
with it then we'll be linked forever. Even if you get away with it, even if nobody
ever finds . You will always have to live with it."
Liz: "Yeah well when I make my decision you'll be the first to know."
Tom: "I knew the second you brought me down here you had no intension of letting me live. So here's the deal Liz.
You're gonna do whatever you're gonna do. You always have.
Just do me one favor. Look me in the eyes when you do it."
Episode 2x07



Liz: "Let's get this straight. I did not save you because I care. I
saved you because you have intell on Berlin. I want a name."
Tom: "You bitch."
Liz: "Oh, I don't know Tom from where I am sitting you look like the bitch to me."
Episode 2x08



Tom: "You know all this time you never asked me if I ever really loved you.
Liz: "Because I know the answer."
Tom: "I don't think you do."
Episode 2x08



Tom: "You gotta kill him. Look you let this guy go, he's going to the cops and when he does we are all going to jail.
Starting with you. For torture, kidnapping, wrongful
imprisonment. Take your pick sweetheart. You gotta kill him."
Liz: "No, I can fix this."
Episode 2x08



Tom: "Take a look Liz. This is a problem and time is not on your side.
Liz: "I need information. Not advice."
Tom: "We both know that you are in over your head. You are not equipt for this Liz
because you are not a killer. It's why I'm still alive and why you got a corpse lying
there that you have done nothing with. And your bodyguard, the one that you shot.
Where do you think he is right now? He's getting a gun Liz so he can come back here and kill me and then probably kill you too."
Episode 2x08



Liz: "Keen."
Tom: "It's me."
Liz: "What the hell are you doing calling me?"
Tom: "I got a new assingment. I'm going away for a while."
Liz: "What's her name?"
Tom: "It's not like that. It's not.."
Liz: "Me?"
Tom: "Yeah. I mean no. I mean it's uh.. How have you been?"
Liz: "What do you think? I'm in a lot of trouble because of you. So what?
That's it? Berlin is out of comission and you just get another gig?"
Tom: "I've been away for a long time and I thought I.. I don't know I just wanted to say.."
Liz: "I think the word you are looking for is goodbye. Look I gotta go.
It seems like the only thing we have in common anymore is pretending to be someone else."
Tom: "Wait, you are going undercover? for how long?"
Liz: "Just a few hours."
Tom: "Just keep your ears open. Try not to talk to much. If somebody asks you something,
like some little thing you don't know and you think it's going to trip you up, just sneeze."
Liz: "Sneeze?"
Tom: "Yeah. They'll say gesundheit or glod bless you or whatever. Ten out of ten times, they'll forget what they asked you."
Liz: "I always thought you just had allergies."
Tom: "Goodbye Liz."
Episode 2x14



Liz: "What you are asking me to do.. I appreciate that you turned yourself in. You came back for me."
Tom: "Liz, I'm in danger. I need the passports."
Liz: "I can't. I just can't."
Tom: "Liz please! Turning myself in to save you, saved me. Not because the judge let me go.
I've been running since I was fourteen. It's all I've known.
And in that moment when the judge let me go I thought maybe there is a world where I don't have to run, where I could just..
These Germans want me dead. My handler to so please, I need you help. I need the passports."
Liz: "They're not just passports. You put them in a box under the floor in our home. They represent everything I'm trying to forgot."
Tom: "I know. I wouldn't ask unless it was important."
Liz: "They are locked up in evidence."
Tom: "That's exactly why they should still be clean."
Liz: "I'm not gonna walk into evidence and steal them for you. Why would I do that?"
Tom: "You want me gone? Do this and you will never see me again."
Liz: "You need to leave. Go! Now!"
Episode 2x18



Tom: "You know, I'm no worse than your buddy Reddington."
Liz: "He is not my buddy. And you are worse."
Tom: "You don't get it. Even after all this time Reddington is dangerous and he is playing you."
Liz: "I think he's more dangerous than you give him credit for but he has a moral code.
I don't like it but at least I know what it is. And it doesn't include lying to me."
Tom: "Whatever you say."
Episode 2x18



Tom: "Do you think it's possible for someone like me to.. start over?
To become something else?"
Liz: "Isn't that want you do for a living?"
Tom: "Yeah. But you know what I mean."
Liz: "Can you be honest? You have to be honest. Tom.. our entire marriage, everthing that happened, our fights, the baby.. your laugh.
It couldn't have all been pretend. You are not that good an actor. That's why I didn't see it. Because so much of it was real.
You are my greatest failure as a profiler."
Tom: "You are my greatest succes. You made me feel.. for a moment..
like I had a life and that somebody cared. So this is me being honest."
Liz: "Can you be honest about the passports?"
Tom: "The passports?"
Liz: "They were real. Goverment issue. Where did you get them?"
Tom: "Berlin had a guy."
Liz: "Guess not."
Tom: "Wait. Wait. I can't. Not about this."
Liz: "That's not how the truth works. You don't get to pick and choose. Not if you want to learn how to swim."
Episode 2x18



Tom: "What was that?"
Liz "That was goodbye."
Episode 2x18



Tom: "Reddington is a bad man Liz. He is bad for anyone who comes in contact with him. He is bad for you.
His world, this right here, unless you get out this will devour you."
Liz: "It doesn't matter if he's bad. What matters is, he has answers about me and I am staying untill I get some."
Tom: "Maybe I could help you get those answers."
Liz: "I doubt that."
Tom: "Liz, I know a lot more about Reddington than you think."
Episode 2x19



Tom: "Or I could just buy this boat. And we can disappear."
Liz: "Do you know how many images are in the NGI database? 51 million."
Tom: "If we go away none of that matters."
Liz: "51 million and not a single one of her."
Tom "Reddington knows who she is."
Liz: "I know who she is. That girl. That's me and the woman, I believe that may be my mother."
Tom: "That mean Reddington is your dad?"
Liz: "No. My father died when I was four. In a fire.
Reddington was there. I think she may have been to."
Tom: "Why don't you just ask him?"
Liz: "If Reddington wanted me to know the truth he would have told me by now.
He wants to keep me from knowing and he will bully anyone who might help me in to silence."
Episode 2x20



Liz: "Look, last night. Me coming by your place like that.."
Tom: "Liz I want to say something."
Liz: "Don't please. Can't you just tell me about your boat? I mean whatever the other thing is,
I'm sure it's probably best for both of us if you just keep it to yourself."
Tom: "I'm sorry. I just want to say I'm sorry."
Liz: "Tom, we are way past that."
Tom: "I know but I'm not asking for your forgiveness.
I just want to apologize because I should've done it a long time ago."
Liz: "What's the catch?"
Tom: "There's no catch. It's just a little hope."
Liz: "Hope? That what? We'll just work throught this screwed up situation were in and go back to playing house?"
Tom: "Alright, dream scenario. We finish our coffee. We hop on my boat, we leave.
Okay we never look back. Preferably we take our clothes off at some point."
Liz: "Be serious."
Tom: "I'm trying to be."
Liz: "That's insane. I don't know you. Not the real you and the fact that you think
I'm gonna run away with whoever you are, means that you don't know me at all either. Just because I'm eating this.."
Tom: "I know the whole naked boat thing is a little unrealistic but we both need to start over.
Right? You and me. The real me. Not.."
Liz: "The neo nazi? Cause that doesn't really do it for me."
Tom: "That's fair."
Episode 2x21



Tom: "Liz I've been looking everywhere for you."
Liz: "I have a lead. Something that can clear all of this up but I need your help."
Tom: "I went to your motel. There were cops everywhere. It's on the tv, news reports.
There is no clearing it up alright? There is only leaving it behind."
Liz: "I can't. If I run now than I'll be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my life."
Tom: "That's Reddington talking."
Liz: "Yes it is. And he's right. I can't leave now."
Tom: "And I can't stay."
Episode 2x22



Tom: “What is it? What’s wrong?”
Liz: “I don’t want to regret anything.”
Tom: “What could you possibly regret?
Liz: “Not saying yes."
Tom: “Yes to what?”
Liz: “You. Take me with you."
Tom: “Don’t say that."
Liz: “I’m here. All we have to do is go."
Tom: “Liz, if you go away with me, you’ll never get answers. You’ll never find out who you really are."
Liz: “I don’t need to know who I am to know what I want."
Tom: “What do you want, Liz?"
Liz: “You."
Episode 2x22




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The vows

Tom: "When I'm with you Liz I feel like I don't need to pretend.
I know that you accept me for who I really am and that's a gift that I thank god for every day."

Liz: "Tom, everyone. The thing is when you asked me to renew our vows,
I thought it was odd. And then I realized how much we've been through in such a short time.
So much has changed but the more I thought about it I realized this is the beginning of something amazing.
A new chapter, a new us. And I wanted to take this opportunity to stand in front of you and all of our friends,
everyone we love and tell you how exited I am about what's coming next.
Because I have a feeling this is going to be one hell of a ride."




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The reasons

Because he shifted his alliance to Berlin because it allowed him an inextricable intimacy and commitment to her.
Because he wants to be Jacob for her.
Because she knows what she wants, she wants him.
Because she regretted that she never got on that boat with him.
Because he came back to safe her in the harbor master case.
Because he even was fighting on Red's side for her.
Because he was the one she sought shelter at in the rain.
Because he made her pancakes all the time and she didn't have the heart to tell him she doesn't like them.
Because they just want to be a normal couple like everyone else.
Because they are both trying to figure out who they are and what better way to do that than together?
Because he betrayed Red, Berlin, and The Major for her.
Because he wanted a family with her.





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Our wishlist

- For them to continue their romantic relationship to see where it goes.
- If they can't be together romantically than let them be friends.
- For Liz to start trusting Tom.
- For Liz to start depending on Tom.
- For Liz and Tom to uncover some of Liz's past together.





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Future titles

"I need us! Together!"
"You have so many secrets, and I wish you didn't, because I don't have any secrets."
"He was the one person in my life that I chose, that made me feel safe, that made me feel happy."
"Liz, when I'm with you I feel like I don't need to pretend. I know you accept me for who I really am."
"If you need a partner, I've got some pretty good fake IDs."
"Do you want to go undercover before you go undercover?"
"Kiss me Tim, or whatever your name is..."
"Liz, if you go away with me, you’ll never get answers. You’ll never find out who you really are."





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Great title choice It so reflects their relationship at the end and even now...
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As far as Tom accepting Berlin offer, I do think he also did it for the money. Yes maybe he had feelings for Liz but if he did why just not be honest from the beginning or he could have started the relationship on his own terms and not Berlin's..
I don't think Tom switched sides for the money because of how the conversation between Red and the Major began. Reddington's principal complaint about Tom, the reason he was considered "defective merchandise" was his emotional attachment to Liz. That was that fault in his design, the reason he didn't perform as promised. If Tom's betrayal had been caused by greed, or disloyalty or ambition, that would have been defect Red brought up.

There is also the fact that Red left Tom alive after he switched sides to Berlin. If you agree with me that Tom was not embedded into Liz's life until he started working for Berlin, and he defect for mercenary reasons, why would Red have immediately killed him before Liz became attached to to him and before he did something that threatened her safety.

As to why he wasn't honest with Liz from the beginning, Berlin needed to believe Tom was doing his job, dating Liz starting a life with her. It would have been a big ask to go, "Hey Liz. You don't know me, but I've been your bodyguard for the past few years, nothing too invasion, just you know watching your every move cameras in your apartment kind of thing. No really I'm not a creepy stalker, I was hired to do this by #4 on the FBI's most wanted list. Any hoo another really dangerous guy is in the process of hiring someone to infiltrate your life as your boyfriend, and he offered me the gig and I thought well, since I've grown kind of fond you, and I didn't want to see you hurt I'd say yes and be Reddington man on the inside, tipping him off it the other bad asks me to kidnap or kill you. So basically we'll need to fake date for an indefinite period of time until Reddington manages to catch this guy. You cool with that?"
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I don't think Tom switched sides for the money because of how the conversation between Red and the Major began. Reddington's principal complaint about Tom, the reason he was considered "defective merchandise" was his emotional attachment to Liz. That was that fault in his design, the reason he didn't perform as promised. If Tom's betrayal had been caused by greed, or disloyalty or ambition, that would have been defect Red brought up.
You think Tom had a say in all of it? I somehow got the impression that the Major is his boss and he decides who he is assigned to... The Major for sure got most of the double money that Berlin offered.

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There is also the fact that Red left Tom alive after he switched sides to Berlin. If you agree with me that Tom was not embedded into Liz's life until he started working for Berlin, and he defect for mercenary reasons, why would Red have immediately killed him before Liz became attached to to him and before he did something that threatened her safety.
This... That's what I think as well. I think Red never wanted Tom to ever be in contact with Liz but just watch her from afar and make sure she's save.
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You're welcome. Now we only need to think about some reasons but because I am not a shipper I can't really think of any reason sorry.
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If you agree with me that Tom was not embedded into Liz's life until he started working for Berlin, and he defect for mercenary reasons, why would Red have immediately killed him before Liz became attached to to him and before he did something that threatened her safety.
I agree on that fact. Otherwise Red would have for sure killed Tom before Liz started to get attached to Tom.

As to why he wasn't honest with Liz from the beginning, Berlin needed to believe Tom was doing his job, dating Liz starting a life with her. It would have been a big ask to go, "Hey Liz. You don't know me, but I've been your bodyguard for the past few years, nothing too invasion, just you know watching your every move cameras in your apartment kind of thing. No really I'm not a creepy stalker, I was hired to do this by #4 on the FBI's most wanted list. Any hoo another really dangerous guy is in the process of hiring someone to infiltrate your life as your boyfriend, and he offered me the gig and I thought well, since I've grown kind of fond you, and I didn't want to see you hurt I'd say yes and be Reddington man on the inside, tipping him off it the other bad asks me to kidnap or kill you. So basically we'll need to fake date for an indefinite period of time until Reddington manages to catch this guy. You cool with that?"[/QUOTE]

Can you imagine his saying that. That would have been a great scene! But I know it wouldn't have been so easy for him to tell her the truth but Tom hurt Liz so much by doing all of this. Why if he really had feelings for her would he do that to her? Was he afraid he would get killed by Berlin if he didn't do as Berlin said. And just thinking what had Berlin to gain by embedding Tom in Liz her life? Did Berlin already know about the history between Red and Liz when he asked Tom to work for him?
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You think Tom had a say in all of it? I somehow got the impression that the Major is his boss and he decides who he is assigned to... The Major for sure got most of the double money that Berlin offered.
I think the Major is kind of an agent to the spies he makes. The fields the offers, brokers the deals and takes a cut. Red says "You sold me an asset, then you let him change sides when Berlin offered double the money." The word LET is key here. To "Let" someone do something is to allow them to do it, not to make them do it. It was Tom's choice to take the Berlin gig, the Major simply didn't stop him.

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Why if he really had feelings for her would he do that to her? Was he afraid he would get killed by Berlin if he didn't do as Berlin said. And just thinking what had Berlin to gain by embedding Tom in Liz her life? Did Berlin already know about the history between Red and Liz when he asked Tom to work for him?
I believe Tom took the job to protect Liz. If he'd said no, Berlin would have sent someone else. I think Tom's plan was to be Red's inside man. Red had tracked Berlin for year with no success. By accepting the job, not only would Tom gain greater intelligence on what he knows about Liz, and what he wants with here, but allow he could gain a greater insight into his organization. Tom may have actually supplied Red with the name of some of the blacklisters.

I don't think either Tom or Red originally planned to allow Liz to discover the truth. I think the terms Red reluctantly agreed to was for Tom to stay under until Red stopped Berlin, then leave fake Tom's death, cheat, supposedly run away with another woman, whatever... The "betrayal" Red is so furious about I think is the adoption. Tom was clearly making long term plans to stay with Liz, that were in no way connected to Berlin's orders. I think Tom thought he could keep the charade going indefinitely. She would be never hurt by him, and he would never have to leave her, because she would never know. This I think was the turning point for Red, who had never anticipating things getting this out of hand. He drew the line at letting Liz commit further to man who she didn't even know.

I really and truly believe these men love Liz and they have done their best to keep her from harm. I think they have differing opinions about what is best for her. Their clashing perspectives, and tendency towards deception lead to the situation being what it was. If the two of them had just been honest with Liz things wouldn't have exploded the way they did.

As to what Berlin was thinking embeding Tom in Liz's life, he wanted to find out how they were connected. For all Berlin knew Liz was aware of the connection and might share that information with someone she trusted and was completely intimate with.
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TFTNT and wonderful OP.

I love that pic of Megan & Ryan.

What bothers me is if Tom worked for Berlin because he paid more, didn't he know that this might backfire soon (with Red)? I mean Red is Red. He can just easily kill Tom if he wants to. Or was he willing to risk it since he has fallen for Liz?
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Thanks Lindsey.

I think he was wiling to risk it or maybe he didn't even care if Red would have killed him or not.
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That was probably why Red kept warning Liz about Tom. He knew that Tom was falling in-love with Liz.
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But from the moment that Red kept warning her about him they were already married. Couldn't Red have done something to prevent that? Yes he warned her and eventually made her see who Tom really was but by that time it was already to late.
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But from the moment that Red kept warning her about him they were already married. Couldn't Red have done something to prevent that? Yes he warned her and eventually made her see who Tom really was but by that time it was already to late.
Which is why I say again that they must have still be in cahoots when Tom switched sides to Berlin, otherwise Red would have done something much sooner about Tom. Remember, Red values Liz's physical safety above all else and Liz was physically safer with Tom than she would have been without him. Red had been hunting Berlin for years at this point with no success, and Tom was offering to provide the means to end this very serious threat to Liz's safety. If the agreement had merely been Tom would stay until Berlin was taken care of, I can see him making that call. I don't think it was easy or pleasant for him, just as killing Sam wasn't. It caused Red pain, it cause Liz emotional pain, but he did it to keep her safe. It was never supposed to be a permanent arrangement and Liz was never supposed to find out the truth. When Red realized Tom's intentions were considerably more long term, I think that was when he acted.
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Are we going to get a scene with these two tomorrow?

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But from the moment that Red kept warning her about him they were already married. Couldn't Red have done something to prevent that? Yes he warned her and eventually made her see who Tom really was but by that time it was already to late.
Maybe Red realized it too late (Tom falling for Liz)? Although the first time Red & Liz did meet, he warned her straight away about Tom but she didn't believe him.
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Maybe Red realized it too late (Tom falling for Liz)? Although the first time Red & Liz did meet, he warned her straight away about Tom but she didn't believe him.
I think he underestimated the strength of Tom's affection, and he didn't realize that Tom had no intention of EVER giving up the charade until he found out about the adoption.
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But from the moment that Red kept warning her about him they were already married. Couldn't Red have done something to prevent that? Yes he warned her and eventually made her see who Tom really was but by that time it was already to late.
I don't really know... To answer that question we at least would have to know how the Major's business really works. I guess that Red hired the Major and the Major chose Tom for the job Red for him (hopefully just watch Lizzie from afar and keep her safe). I doubt that Tom and Red were in contact directly, I even doubt that Red knew who was hired to do his job. Because how else could the Major have betrayed Red in the first place? I think after a while Berlin came and payed double for the job that he wanted Tom to do, to insert himself into her life, marry her... Red might have thought that Tom really was just a normal guy that Lizzie fell for and that made her happy until Tom got those passports. That's been the time that Red knew something was wrong and I guess that's been the time that he realized that the Major had betrayed him. But at that time they were married already.

But yes, it's all just pure speculation. No clue how it would make sense otherwise though
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