ChakotaysLover

Witht he way the writers are going with Liz, they are turning her into her father.

Fangirl49

And I'm still expecting to find out Red is not her father so I don't know what they will say then. Could be her "true" father is a real sociopath and not a self made criminal like Red.

ChakotaysLover

What happens when they don't back peddle and keep to Red being Liz's father?

Fangirl49

Hehehe. I don't know because I'm so convinced he's not. Lol. You guys will all get to say I told you so.

ChakotaysLover

I won't tell you that. Frankly, I don;t care one way or the other who Red really turns out to be! LOL!

Miranda

She is really turning more and more into Red and I don't know if I like that. It is not who she is. I wonder if Red's sees it that she is going off the rails.

ChakotaysLover

Liz has always had that streak of darkness. This a woman who kept Tom locked up in the cargo hold of a ship for months, chained like an animal.

Lauren Helen Graham

I somehow don't see Red there in her... I don't get how you can because he does kill for the people he loves but he never really enjoyed it, not the way Liz does. She is going in the sociopath direction which Red IMO isn't. She is beyond that point where it is just about revenge, she likes it and she thinks herself smart and she is not even thinking about the consequences of her actions. I don't see Red there.

And Marilyn, I won't tell you 'I told you so' if Red turns out not to be her father because I'm still split somehow although I believe he is it.

Miranda

Yeah Liz has always had a little darkness in here but nothing like this. And I agree Kris, Liz looks to being turning into a sociopath and Red is definitly not so I agree with that. What I meant with that she started looking more and more like Red was criminal wise.

Fangirl49

No I don't see Red in this at all. That's why I see her channeling her psycho real father. You have my permission to tell me so though When I wind up being wrong.

Yeah Tari I kind of lost interest in the whose Lizs daddy a while back.

Lauren Helen Graham

I know what you mean, Marilyn That's what I start to feel as well... That maybe her real father really is a sociopath and that she very well is turning out like him. How shall she ever come back from this? Do you think Red will somehow be able to help her coming back from it?

Miranda, I get you... She is entering the criminal world like Red did, that's what you mean. Just not the same way

Fangirl49

I just don't know and i wonder what the tone of the show will be. Will she work with the team? How will this end?

I hope Red can help her but if she somehow blames him for this I don't know what she will do.

Lauren Helen Graham

I can't see her ever coming back from this. How could she? How could Red look the other way this time? She really needs help IMO and as soon as she figures out that Red kind of lied to her about not knowing what happened to Tom and that he somehow was spending time with him before he died... I think she will break out of that relationship and cut him out completely. He won't be able to help her then.

Fangirl49

And all my hopes and dreams for a reconciliation just died a little bit.

ChakotaysLover

I get annoyed with the way they drag crap out.... like Liz's family, the suitcase, and stuff like that.