Miranda

He was definitly the one to put her in WITSEC so he was there from the beginning. But yeah why would he have gotten her out of WITSEC? but isn't she still in it?

Fangirl49

I take that quote to mean she wanted out of witsec and I think Garvey faked her records and did that for her.

Miranda

Could be. But why would she want to get out? Wouldn't that be too dangerous?

Fangirl49

Red: I need to know where Jennifer is.
Naomi: I kept my end of the bargain. I didn't say anything about you or Elizabeth.
Red: how much does she know?
Naomi: very little.
Red. Listen to me about Jennifer. I can protect her.
Naomi: I'm not gonna tell you where my daughter is.

Miranda

Still wonder what "her end of the bargain" is.

Fangirl49

And who was she not supposed to say anything to? Jennifer? I always assumed it was the "bad guys"

Lauren Helen Graham

Hm... I really don't know. What if he threatened Naomi for protection of Jennifer. I know, that sounds crazy but who knows.

Miranda

That definitly could have happened I think.

"Everything you've believed for the last 30 years has been a lie. You've spent a lifetime hiding for no reason."

Fangirl49

Be upset. Blame me. Howl at the moon for all I care!

God doesn't want me and the devil isn't finished with me.

Lauren Helen Graham

This one is the most intriguing ever for me! I'm so curious to learn the truth.

And the God doesn't want me one So true.

Miranda

Love the god and the devil quote. I think we should use that for Red's next thread.

So basically he tells Jennifer that he lied to her for 30 years. What did he lie about? About who she is? About Red being dad? Maybe Garvey is her dad?!

Lauren Helen Graham

I think about the Christmas Eve? That's my guess... They sold her lies about her father because it all was a big fat conspiracy. That's what I expect.

Miranda

Yes I think it is about Christmas eve and whether or not Red is dad.

Fangirl49

Liz: You took Noah Shuster?
Red: Baz did, after he saved you.
Liz: What is your interest in this case?
Red: Same as yours– missing children. Brimley is in there, speaking to the only man who can tell us where to find Lady Ambrosia.
[ Brimley emerges leading a llama in pajamas, – a sweater, actually ]
Brimley: I need to take Butterscotch for a walk. When I get back, I’m gonna need some ground mineral salt and a corded dremel drill. Come on, Poopsie. Let’s go. That’s it. Very good.
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Red: When I said that Baz saved you, I wasn’t looking for a “Thank you”. I’m just relieved.
Liz: I found a couple… to take the baby. Thinking about it is one thing, but actually doing it… How did she do it– my mother?
Red: Your parents loved each other very much. The Cold War was hard– too hard for your father. When the Soviet Union was collapsing, he took you from her. She gave up everything to follow him, to follow you.
Liz: The night of the fire– that’s what they were arguing about?
Red: Your mother, despite what he’d done, she wanted him back. She wanted them to be a family. As much as it pains me to say it, he was probably… the only man she ever really loved.
Liz: And I shot him.
Red: It was an accident.
Liz: Tell me. I need to know.
Red: Your mother was never the same after that. The man she loved killed by the child she adored– it was… just too much. Two months later, she went to Cape May and left her clothes on the beach, walked into the ocean, and was never seen again.
Liz: So, that night, I killed both my parents.
Red: You were a child. There should never have been a gun for you to grab.
Liz: [ Sniffles ]
Red: Looking back, I’m not sure I shouldn’t have raised you myself. I don’t want you looking back with that kind of regret.

Miranda

I still believe her was telling her the truth there. Also about Katarina going to Cape May, maybe she wanted to drown herself but she couldn't go through with it or maybe she already drowned when Red found her and he took her body?