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I know he ends up being an antagonist as Mary's 3rd husband (in RL) but I love him so much in the show Is this bad?

He's only been made a love interest so far, but I really want to make a thread for them

kerbear28

TFTNT, Jade! I think it's definitely appropriate that Bothwell gets his own thread now. At this point, I'm still a little conflicted about the character. I like him a lot. He's very charming, romantic, and loyal. And I definitely feel the chemistry between Adam and Adelaide. But... knowing the history just makes me hesitant to support him or root for him. This may sound weird, but I got a horrible Conde / Monde flashback in the last episode. - "You will be the death of me, and I you." -> "You must stay away, or it could be the end of me." I know the situations are VERY different, but... I'm not sure I want to see Mary in another affair.

But seriously... who can resist those dimples.

They've had so many intense moments in just two short episodes.







I feel something for you. Something far deeper than a man who’s just known a woman for such a short time should.

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sourburst

I love them at the moment. They seem so freaking passionate and I'm interested to see which route the show will take. Rumour in their country at the time was that Mary hired him to kill Darnley so she could marry him, but Mary QOS denied it in a letter to Elizabeth. If they take the previous route, I'm hoping they won't make him out to be a complete arse in the show, because he is to die for.

He played Hook's dad in OUAT

Scottish_Queen

I'm loving him so far. I think they are making him into the rogue with a heart of gold type instead of real historical Bothwell which I SO love just how I love how Darnley hasn't been made the pure evil type either.

In the latest info regarding his real historical role in Darnley's death, he along with most of the Scottish nobility plotted Darnley's death with Bothwell being the one to really carry it out. They did it behind Mary's back, she had every reason to not want him to die since she and Elizabeth were finally on the verge of the peace and succession agreement Mary had always wanted. If anything happened to Darnley that would all be destroyed so there's no way IMO Mary knew or wanted Darnley's death.

That being said, I'm excited to see what Reign does with the story. I hope Bothwell goes back into loyal friendzone for a while...though I think the writers did say this was going to be some sort of love triangle which is always scary on this show. My guess is Darnley will continue to spiral downhill (Rizzio is on the scene and we all know what Darnley and his cronies do to him historically ) so I can see Mary turning to Bothwell when that all really hits rock bottom.

And only 7 episodes left! I can't even fathom how they are going to fit all of this into such a short time frame.

I can see where you'd get shades of it but in this case Bothwell doesn't understand why Mary is marrying Darnley, he's just trying to do everything he can to stop her from this disaster of a marriage where as Conde took advantage of her rape. And while I don't really want to see her have an affair either, I also don't mind as much since Darnley already cheated on her and I definitely do not feel bad for him like I did Francis. Like I said above, I do think she's going to be accused of adultry before the end of the season but if she does actually have a real affair my guess is it will actually happen after Darnley does something horrific like he did in history. Plus she is after all pregnant...kind of puts on the damper on the affair coals I would think

kerbear28

Ok, you've convinced me. I'm willing to hope/believe that he really is the rogue with a heart of gold like he appears to be. SO MUCH better than historical Bothwell. He seems sincere, and I know that he isn't trying to manipulate or take advantage of Mary like Conde was. ( ) You can't help but love the guy - and his chemistry with Mary is palpable. If you are right about any real affair between them starting AFTER things hit rock bottom with Darnley... I think I can accept that.

It's just that from the very first scene he was in, they have been setting it up to be another dangerous "love triangle" - and that TERRIFIES me, especially in the hands of these writers. I have major trust issues, you guys. But I'm willing to hope for the best. If Bothwell ends up being the "love" that Francis prayed she would find after his death, I think that would be beautiful. Of course I want Mary to have some moments of happiness and comfort in the midst of all the tragedy she has coming. I'm excited to see how it all plays out.

Side note: I don't believe Mary knew anything about the plot to kill Darnley, either.

Oh my gosh - 7 EPISODES LEFT!!!! How much of this are they actually going to fit in?!

Scottish_Queen

I almost think it has to be that way because...she is pregnant. And not that pregnant women can't have fun but let's be real ...most pregnant women don't embark on adulterous affairs and most especially not ones who are carrying and protecting the sole heir to the throne I HOPE it's a good deterrent


If she wasn't pregnant I would be right there with you

Same here, it would be nice to see her at least have some happiness...especially after the most depressing wedding ever

kerbear28

Yes, of course you're right. The fact that she's pregnant should put a "damper on the affair coals" as you put it. I guess we shouldn't really have to worry about Bothwell being anything more than a loyal friend for the time being.

NotDoneAbusingYou

I actually have a bad feeling about all this. I wonder if it's possible the writers actually though far enough ahead to have her have an affair with Conde so that there was a a prerequisite for it....and lest we all forget...Elizabeth knows about Mary's affair via Catherine. Perhaps in the end she believes she is guilty because of this little piece of information.

sourburst

Darnley wasn't pure evil, he just wanted the crown and when it was denied he just became an unruly drunk. Pretty much how Phillip is now with our Queen.

Scottish_Queen

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Yikes, I could totally see this happening. It could really be ugly but I'm curious to see what they are going to do with such a short about of time. Scares me.

kerbear28

Wow, I had forgotten that. That is completely possible. OY. It terrifies me, too. I have no idea how they would accomplish that in the time we have left, but... I can totally see that happening. Poor Catherine would never want that information to be used against Mary now.

NotDoneAbusingYou

She would never forgive herself.

sourburst

I think Catherine would get over it quickly, but it's an interesting point made about the show writers. However, as they're hoping to finish it this series, i'm assuming they will cut bits of RL history out. If they do an affair and a plot to kill Darnley it will take up too many episodes (they have to do her 3rd marriage, imprisonment and death yet) so I think they'll have Darley die of his own accord. We're almost half way through and there's nothing to show of the next 30 years. Time will start skipping soon and mary will be almost ready to pop.

NotDoneAbusingYou

I highly doubt Catherine would just get over being the cause of Mary’s death. Also, there is no need ro cut anything, even with littke time left. There are ways to speed things up without changing them.