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Old 09-29-2017, 10:57 AM
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see i do understand why you saying that , rewatching season one i do feel a more brother sister relationship the romance came later on i think when they were in the box it forced them to realise how much they liked each other
I view it differently, because it becomes across like the 'Nice Guy' trope where a woman gives in after a period of time because a guy is nice to her. In retrospect, I find it odd that they decided to entirely drop Fitz's attraction to Skye, say that he loves Simmons all of a sudden, but then create a number of hurdles to keep them apart as if they were afraid of putting them together.

I mean, if that's the goal, why not have Fitz tell Skye how he feels, she tells him she doesn't reciprocate, and then build towards Fitz and Simmons*falling in love together instead of pulling it out of the ether after nearly a season of Fitz being attracted to someone else entirely? Did they think Fitz's sacrifice (at the end of Season One) wouldn't have the same meaning if he did it for a friend (which seems to follow the asinine logic of Dexter's last two seasons when it came to his sister's sudden 'revelation' about how she really felt for a certain someone)?

It's not like they even pursued a romance storyline at the beginning of Season 2, and it's pretty much shoehorned into the end of Season 2 (with a single line of dialogue in a single end at the tail-end of the episode that isn't even a concrete 'yes' but rather a maybe) with no real buildup at all (as if they wanted to give weight to Simmons' disappearance, as if Fitz wouldn't move heaven and earth to rescue her if she was simply a friend).

And there's the whole Will plot, which simply keeps the two of them apart (and even then they decide to 'start fresh' so the implications of Will are pretty much swept under the rug, so it kind of becomes meaningless). The aftermath of the Will storyline is also jarring in how you can easily interpret it to be that Simmons chose Fitz as the consolation prize because Will was no longer in the picture (which is one of the problems with how the story chose to remove him), which doesn't make for a good romance story IMHO.
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Old 09-30-2017, 10:07 AM
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Elizabeth didn’t seem to completely rule out a romance between Fitzsimmons. This excerpt from an interview with TV Guide is from Oct. 2013.
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Henstridge: My mom told me when I was super young, "If boys hate you, it means they like you, don't worry." Maybe. There's always going to be a possibility, I guess, because they're so close and really understand each other, but definitely for right now, I don't think you could convince either one of them that they are meant to be together romantically. We'll just see. We're told fairly little. I love that because it just means you're in the same headspace as your character when you're playing them and you're not trying to hint at anything else that comes down the line. I love that they are brother-sister right now. If anything romantic happens, I could see it happening, but I like that, for Simmons, it's not really her main priority. I don't think she even knows that could be a good idea.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s Elizabeth Henstridge: Fitz and Simmons Are "Like a Married Couple"
My interpretation of Fitz’s crush on Skye was that the writers intended it to be brief, lighthearted, and comedic whereas the storyline of Fitz’s feelings for Simmons was meant to come off as longterm, deep, and even heartbreaking at times.

Also, I didn’t view Fitz’s crush on Skye as something that lasted throughout the majority of s1; I saw it more as a schoolboy crush that was nipped in the bud halfway through 1X06 not during the pod scene of 1X22. I believe that for Fitz there was a shift away from a sibling-like relationship with Simmons during the episode FZZT. About halfway through that episode and onwards, I no longer noticed him trying to gain Skye’s attention/affection. For the remainder of the season, his focus was on Simmons.

Furthermore, I didn’t see the pod scene between Fitz and Jemma as something that appeared out of left field. There was a build up (which included great moments of concern for each other’s safety, jealousy, hugs, longing looks, etc.) that culminated to that highly emotional moment in the pod.

Even Jed and Mo stated that the underwater pod scene between Fitzsimmons was planned well in advance -seems like even before the pilot was shot.
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When you talk about character moments making the biggest impact, I immediately think of Fitz and Simmons saying good-bye underwater. Why did you want to take their storyline that way?

MT: When Iain and Elizabeth screen-tested for us, way back when, the scene that sealed the deal was a scene that was basically what these pod scenes were built out of. It's a very emotional scene where we see the intricacies of their friendship and it was important to actually show that at some point, so we were very happy we were able to map out a story that could land at this place in the finale.
JW: When they initially auditioned, there were a lot of funny scenes, and when we wrote the emotional scene it was just to make sure they had the ability to pull it off, and both of them broke our heart when they auditioned. They have this brother–sister inseparable feeling between them, but we wanted to evolve Fitz past that and have him break your heart in a different way. We shot those scenes very quickly and they just absolutely nailed it. X
It’s my belief that if Fitz and Skye had been the intended couple, then it would have made sense for the showrunners to have tested Iain and Chloe’s chemistry. However, he auditioned with Elizabeth while Chloe auditioned with Brett. Jeff, Jed, Mo, and Joss are pros; they knew what they were doing when they screen-tested Iain with Elizabeth and Chloe with Brett.

On another point, if Fitz’s attraction to Skye had played such a prominent role in his storyline throughout the majority of S1, then surely at some point Iain, Chloe, the writers, etc. would have been asked about a Fitz/ Skye relationship; instead Iain, Elizabeth, and the showrunners dealt with countless of inquiries about the Fitzsimmons dynamic. Besides, if Fitz/ Skye had been the intended couple, I’m sure the creators of the show would have been, if not openly pushing it, at the very least, mentioning this pairing in some sort of light during interviews in order to plant that seed in the viewers’ minds. Perhaps I just haven’t stumbled upon those interviews yet.

To me, there is just far more evidence out there that points towards a calculated planning of a Fitzsimmons romance by the writers during s1 than there is for an intended genuine Fitz/Skye pairing. While it may not be your cup of tea, it is what it is.
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Old 09-30-2017, 11:24 AM
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Elizabeth didn’t seem to completely rule out a romance between Fitzsimmons. This excerpt from an interview with TV Guide is from Oct. 2013.
Except that interview proves my point - they were playing the relationship as brother and sister. You simply didn't bold that part.

Frankly, it's not much different than if Coulson and Skye had ended up becoming romantic despite having a father-daughter relationship - except Coulson and Skye knew each other for less than a year (during Season One), while Fitz and Simmons had this brother-sister relationship for ten years when Season One starts. I fully get why Henstridge said it would be 'weird' at the Paleyfest panel, which was a few months into AOS airing.

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My interpretation of Fitz’s crush on Skye was that the writers intended it to be brief, lighthearted, and comedic whereas the storyline of Fitz’s feelings for Simmons was meant to come off as longterm, deep, and even heartbreaking at times.
Except the showrunners themselves admitted that Fitz and Simmons were a brother-sister duo during the early part of Season One, not a romantic couple in the making. It was never originally intended for Fitz and Simmons to be paired together romantically - Whedon and Tancharoen acknowledged that when they explained that Fitz and Simmons were based on the brothers from Ocean's Eleven.

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Also, I didn’t view Fitz’s crush on Skye as something that lasted throughout the majority of s1; I saw it more as a schoolboy crush that was nipped in the bud halfway through 1X06 not during the pod scene of 1X22. I believe that for Fitz there was a shift away from a sibling-like relationship with Simmons during the episode FZZT. About halfway through that episode and onwards, I no longer noticed him trying to gain Skye’s attention/affection. For the remainder of the season, his focus was on Simmons.
I don't see how the scenes are supposed to be a romance in the making in FZZT if the actors themselves say they are playing the scenes as brother and sister during that period of time.

And I noticed how Fitz seemed bothered by how Skye only kissed him on the cheek, so I'm not getting why you think he was no longer attracted to her.

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Furthermore, I didn’t see the pod scene between Fitz and Jemma as something that appeared out of left field. There was a build up (which included great moments of concern for each other’s safety, jealousy, hugs, longing looks, etc.) that culminated to that highly emotional moment in the pod.
I don't see how there was 'buildup' when the actors themselves say they are playing the scenes as brother and sister during the early part of Season One and the showrunners also confirmed the brother-sister relationship at the time.

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Even Jed and Mo stated that the underwater pod scene between Fitzsimmons was planned well in advance -seems like even before the pilot was shot.
Being planned 'in advance' isn't the same as being planned from the beginning. As both Whedon and Tancharoen acknowledge Fitz and Simmons were originally characters who had a brother and sister type of relationship, which is supported by the actors playing the characters, I'm not inclined to share your opinion on the matter.

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It’s my belief that if Fitz and Skye had been the intended couple, then it would have made sense for the showrunners to have tested Iain and Chloe’s chemistry. However, he auditioned with Elizabeth while Chloe auditioned with Brett. Jeff, Jed, Mo, and Joss are pros; they knew what they were doing when they screen-tested Iain with Elizabeth and Chloe with Brett.
I don't recall claiming that Fitz and Skye were intended to be a couple - I pointed out that, as per the showrunners and the actors playing the roles, Fitz and Simmons were not intended to be a couple from the start.

And if Whedon, Tancharoen, Henstridge and Caestecker are all saying the same thing - that Fitz and Simmons were basically brother and sister - then that explains why the showrunners wanted Fitz and Simmons to mesh well together.

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On another point, if Fitz’s attraction to Skye had played such a prominent role in his storyline throughout the majority of S1, then surely at some point Iain, Chloe, the writers, etc. would have been asked about a Fitz/ Skye relationship; instead Iain, Elizabeth, and the showrunners dealt with countless of inquiries about the Fitzsimmons dynamic. Besides, if Fitz/ Skye had been the intended couple, I’m sure the creators of the show would have been, if not openly pushing it, at the very least, mentioning this pairing in some sort of light during interviews in order to plant that seed in the viewers’ minds. Perhaps I just haven’t stumbled upon those interviews yet.
Fitz and Simmons mostly interacted with one another during Season One, which is even why you had some calling them FitzSimmons as if they were one person and not two different people. That some viewers interpreted two actors playing off one another as brother and sister to be romantic says more about the heteronormative interpretations of those viewers than it does to anything else.

And, once again, I never claimed Fitz and Skye were intended to be a couple. Clearly, the revelation about Ward being a amoral monster working for Hydra only works if Skye had a crush on Ward. I'm simply paying attention to what Whedon, Tancharoen, Henstridge and Caestecker have said on the matter.

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To me, there is just far more evidence out there that points towards a calculated planning of a Fitzsimmons romance by the writers during s1 than there is for an intended genuine Fitz/Skye pairing. While it may not be your cup of tea, it is what it is.
With all due respect, I'm more inclined to take the word of Whedon, Tancharoen, Henstridge and Caestecker on the matter.

Also, this is a thread about Skye and Fitz, not Simmons and Fitz, so I'm fully inclined to drop the subject at this point since I don't think you or I will change our minds on this matter, and this really isn't the place for it.
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I'm more inclined to take the word of Whedon, Tancharoen, Henstridge and Caestecker on the matter.
As am I. Hence my stance.

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This makes sense, and I especially agree with the bolded section. Nevertheless, what I’m finding contradictory about this addendum is that it’s attached to a lengthy post that is off topic for the most part and that has in its nature the potential to generate even more Fitzsimmons talk, almost as if baiting an off topic retort (which easily can be whipped up, btw).

Anyhow, because you had initially quoted and commented upon my post (thus keeping the Fitzsimmons discussion active in this thread), I responded in return. However, as you have expressed a desire to drop the subject, I will now disengage from this topic as well, fully expecting you to practice what you preach this time around.
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Nevertheless, what I’m finding contradictory about this addendum is that it’s attached to a lengthy post that is off topic for the most part and that has in its nature the potential to generate even more Fitzsimmons talk, almost as if baiting an off topic retort (which easily can be whipped up, btw).
And one could suggest that bringing up an off-topic subject in this thread to begin with is baiting people to engage with that topic, particularly given the purpose of this thread, but I see no point in such speculation. It's a discussion about a fictional show and fictitious characters, after all.

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However, as you have expressed a desire to drop the subject, I will now disengage from this topic as well, fully expecting you to practice what you preach this time around.
I'm certainly open to discussing Fitz and Skye, or certain storylines, or potential avenues that could have been explored. For example, had the show explored Simmons and Trip (like it was hinting at in Season One) rather than marginalizing him in a ridiculous fashion (and started the wave of criticism about the show's handling of black characters and the Rule of One trope), I think Fitz and Skye growing closer in Season 2 (because of her transformation into an Inhuman) would have been plausible.
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Since we both suspect the other of baiting, it would only be sensible to end our dialogue at this point. Deuces.
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Wow I need to come here often.
I honestly think that conversation should've stopped sooner. There's no point in continuing when each person has their own views.

I think the majority of the fanbase loved the dynamic between Fitz and Daisy in the beginning and even still love it, but I do believe most of the fanbase love FitzSimmons. That's just how it is, nothing to be done about it. I think we can all agree that Fitz and Daisy still have this close bond and have some great friendship moments.

While I do agree that I don't think their relationship was intended to be romantic like FitzSimmons, I think we all can just go on and break away from the debate since we all have our own thoughts and views on things. Let's just not compare relationships here, both were great.
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Wow I need to come here often.
I honestly think that conversation should've stopped sooner. There's no point in continuing when each person has their own views.

I think the majority of the fanbase loved the dynamic between Fitz and Daisy in the beginning and even still love it, but I do believe most of the fanbase love FitzSimmons. That's just how it is, nothing to be done about it. I think we can all agree that Fitz and Daisy still have this close bond and have some great friendship moments.

While I do agree that I don't think their relationship was intended to be romantic like FitzSimmons, I think we all can just go on and break away from the debate since we all have our own thoughts and views on things. Let's just not compare relationships here, both were great.


do they have alot of scenes together later on ?? i did love the scene when he helped her after she got her powers
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A lot of scenes? Not exactly. It's pretty much the same.
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A lot of scenes? Not exactly. It's pretty much the same.
yer he is usually with simmons or mac
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Yep.
Though I do like the scenes of these two that we do get.
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Yep.
Though I do like the scenes of these two that we do get.
Yez me to ill go try and look up some scenes with these two
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I think mainly the only scenes of them I didn't like was them in the Framework, since he was a bad guy in there.
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I think mainly the only scenes of them I didn't like was them in the Framework, since he was a bad guy in there.
True so unlike him
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It was indeed. She kept trying to get through to him, but.. didn't work.
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