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Tech Noir

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Imzadi

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gingerly

New sneak peek: [VIDEO] ‘Agents of SHIELD’ Season 3 Episode 19 — Kree Arrival | TVLine

Excited to see the Kree back in play!

Tech Noir

Thanks, Nic!




ETA: We're getting a 2 hour finale!

Raonaild

I'm kinda disappointed that the Kree device thingy turned out to be a homing signal that's now been destroyed. Seemed like a lot of effort to go through for what was effectively a radio.

I think that Daisy's fight with Mack makes him less likely to be the Fallen Agent. Now that they've scared us for a minute that Daisy would kill him, they probably won't put him in that kind of position again.

That James guy is fun, and the way May played him was entertaining.

I don't get why they introduced those other redshirt SHIELD agents and made such a big deal about them, but then they did basically nothing. May could have fired the big gun, she didn't need an escort to do it. And why didn't they try even bigger guns on Hive than that - Bambino, splinter bombs, explosives, missiles ... they've already moved to how indestructible Hive is without really exhausting their options.

I also thought the ep was lacking a few things, and I wonder if they got cut for time:

- No scene with FitzSimmons acknowledging what happened last ep. Sure, they had a few moments where they referenced the change in their relationship, but after dedicating a whole ep to them sleeping together for the first time you'd think there would be some kind of follow up in this ep.

- What was the deal with the bag Fitz brought back to the hotel last week? I was assuming he grabbed something from Radcliffe's lab, some research that might have helped, but so far nobody's said anything about it.

- Lincoln's desperation to get Daisy back is incredibly similar to what Fitz went through at the beginning of the season with Simmons, yet it wasn't directly acknowledged in this ep. They danced around it with Fitz sort of agreeing with Lincoln and disagreeing with Simmons about testing the cure, but it deserved a more explicit reference. Either a scene with Fitz and Lincoln with Fitz sympathizing with what he's going through, or a scene with Fitz and Simmons discussing how they've felt in similar circumstances.

ETA: Some more thoughts ...

It has seem in previous eps like maybe Hive had the kind of connection with other Inhumans that he could share information with them. But in this ep, James spent a while talking to May not knowing who she was. If Hive had some sort of telepathic connection with swayed Inhumans, he would have recognized May and warned him.

Also, why didn't SHIELD take James with them after May knocked him out? I know that wasn't the mission, but she managed to knock him unconscious without a fight, and they were moaning earlier in the ep about having no swayed Inhumans to test their experimental cures on. And any Inhuman they can take out of the fight would be a good thing, wouldn't it?

I also have a suggestion for FitzSimmons ... since Hive is trying to create Inhumans, maybe it's time to dust off your Creel-blood-based vaccine to prevent potential Inhumans from going through terrigenesis. Because maybe it could also stop this process that Hive is trying to use to turn humans into Inhumans.

DR76

This actually happened to Trip. First, he got seriously hurt. Then a few episodes later, he was dead.


I have a question. Why is Skye the only Inhuman with more than one ability? I thought her power was about shaking the earth. How did she move to telekinesis and other abilities?


And why on earth did Coulson sanctioned this mission? This is stupid.

Raonaild

It's a different situation now. From the beginning of this second half of S3, we've known that someone is going to die, and ever since Daisy turned against SHIELD, TPTB have been laying it on pretty thick with this "Fallen Agent" business in the ads for the show. Most everybody watching the show is well aware that it's going to happen, so TPTB will tease us with a few near misses but ultimately they want to make it someone people aren't really expecting.

So right now, we've had Daisy threaten Fitz, Hive threaten Simmons, and Daisy almost kill Mack. So probably it won't be them, because it would be too obvious and repetitive.

Daisy's power is the ability to sense and manipulate vibrations in matter - so she do big things like shaking the ground, but she can also do smaller things like change the direction of a stream of falling water (as in S2). And it's natural over time, she's developed better control and understanding of her powers, and so she's found different ways to use them.

Wild Pikachu

Huh... I never thought the "Fallen Agent" label was referring to the mystery person dying in the finale. I just thought it referred to Daisy being turned—since she's front and center in the ads, and her pose definitely looks "fallen"...

I have to say, I originally wanted Hive to be on-screen more, but Brett Dalton's portrayal of this character is starting to lose me. It's not bad, exactly, but it seems...flat. Almost one-note-ish. I'm beginning to think that I liked the original, pre-HYDRA Ward better than any of the following incarnations.

And I also don't get the introduction of the generic S.H.I.E.L.D. troops. Maybe TPTB got a note on the problem the show has with scale (which, as I've said before, is really not solvable, because you can't realistically show a global organization—even a beaten-down one—inside a TV show format), but I don't see how this does anything for it. They found four volunteers, yay. Is General Talbot just running everything else?

Raonaild

I think it has a double meaning, because they don't tend to talk about Daisy being "fallen" without also talking about how someone on the team is going to die. See for example this Fallen Agent artwork:

Marvel's Agents of SHIELD Recreates Classic Gwen Stacy Death Cover Teasing Huge Finale Event - IGN

I think in the end they'll be connected too ... we've already seen things escalate ... first Daisy damages the base but doesn't intentionally hurt anyone, then she chokes Fitz and threatens him, and then she attacks Mack and really hurts him. And Hive keeps putting more pressure on her to turn against SHIELD and her friends. When somebody does die, it's going to be at least partially Daisy's fault. Even if she does it under Hive's influence, she's going to have to deal with it going forward. Unless the agent who dies is Daisy (which I very much doubt).

I'm with you on Hive ... he's just so cold and emotionless. I don't know what would make it better though - maybe he could reveal more interesting things about his hosts, or he could do more with those host memories, or he could have more interactions with characters that could actually challenge him (rather than zombie Inhumans or scared Hydra folks).

I also think his plans have taken too much time to unfold. And I don't understand why he hasn't gone after SHIELD already, he may not think they're much of a threat but they are an annoyance that he could try to do something about.

Butterfly85

Yeah, the Hive thing is a huge bore and a waste of time. Centuries of trying to get this Inhuman off that planet just for it to translate to a one note wooden performance to keep Ward around. Personally I've found the first half of S3 way better than the second half. The only good episode since it came back is the one where Daisy was turned IMO. Right now it's just background noise for me.

Raonaild

What bothers me most about it is that any screen time spent with Hive is taking away from quality time with all of the other main characters. And when they edit the eps, the Hive scenes are always going to take precedence because that's the main story now, at the expense of character development scenes with the other characters. And the show has always had its teaser tags, but where it used to be more varied these days it's almost guaranteed to be another two minutes featuring Hive at the end of the ep.

razgriz21

This arc is causing me anxiety. It's well done but when Mack was nearly killed by Daisy/Hive (can she come back?), I was nearly hyperventilating.

gingerly

Yeah, I think they're spinning the wheels on the Hive story at the moment and the show is suffering for it. :/

Agreed, this episode seemed off to me. Almost like Brett was lacking clear direction with the character. And maybe too much of him is starting to be a not-good thing?

I still like the conflict with Daisy under his control, though. The scene with her & Mack at the end was very well done.