[majesdane]

welcome to the 11th
LGBTQ COMMUNITY THREAD

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I feel that Felix ... I-I just don't know when, as a society, in television and film it sort of only became okay to represent gay people in, like, the traditional sense. Where they have a great job and well-adjusted parents and maybe a surrogate, or adopted, child. Like, when was that the only way you could represent gay people?

-- Jordan Gavaris (Felix)

We speak to that community not like, "this is what a gay relationship is like", this is what any relationship is like. I think it makes it very normal and un-special in a way? It's really important to me.

-- Tatiana Maslany (the clones)

It's not an issue anymore and it shouldn't be, you know what I mean? It's all good. I think that's what makes people have a sigh of relief where it's not a huge deal. It's love, you know? As complex and great and wonderful and crazy as it is! That's the way I feel. I feel that from the fans, too, they're happy this level has been hit.

-- Evelyne Brochu (Delphine)

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Delphine, a conflicted straight girl, gives our thesis on sexuality in episode eight, when she says " ... as a scientist I know that sexuality is a spectrum, but social biases codify sexual attraction, contrary to the biological facts."

So, yes, the biological facts: People are definitely "born this way". That’s the nature side, whether it's genetic, or epigenetic, or whether womb chemistry plays a part. As each of our clones were carried by different surrogates, that could explain differences in sexuality. But who wants to run around blaming mothers and their hormone levels for the sexuality of their children? Haven’t we had enough of that, since, like, forever? ... Okay, then how about the nurture side of things?

Cosima grew up in the Bay Area, in a permissive community and a progressive home fostering intellectual and social tolerance. She learned to approach sexuality without shame, with curiosity. I think Cosima's been "bisexual" (if you had to codify it), but maybe she's ready to self-identify as gay. She would defend her freedom to choose, no matter where nature placed her in the spectrum. And Delphine too makes a choice to follow her heart for an individual, even though she’s always been "straight." Awwwww ... isn't that sweet, shippers? So, sexuality is a spectrum of many factors, and even though we’re a show about clones, we celebrate individuality and the crazy contingencies of nature.

-- Graeme Manson (showrunner)

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[In five years] I see more representations of queer culture. There's so many films that speak about it in beautiful, personal way and make it universal because ultimately it's about humanity. I hope that becomes a given. We'll watch a film with a lesbian character as the lead and that won't become the defining characteristic.

-- Tatiana Maslany (the clones)

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previous threads;

#01 - "Even though we're a show about clones, we celebrate individuality."
#2 - "We speak to that community not like, 'this is what a gay relationship is like', this is what any relationship is like" - TM
#3 - "I'm not going to apologize for my heart, ok?"
#4 - Because Christmas just got a whole lot gayer!
#5- Because #LoveWins
#6 - "Some people change your life forever." #Carol
#7 - TBA (we'll be dodging stray bullets til then)
#8 - Your existence is revolutionary. Just existing is genuinely, genuinely a rebellion and an act of strength and bravery.
#9 - Fall/Winter 2016 is looking gay af.
#10 - 10 threads of awesome. Bring on the gay for 2k17.

[Aurora Cormier]

For some reason, there are two new threads

[danvers]

you used a maggie quote

they were so precious last night. SO. PRECIOUS.




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[Aurora Cormier]

[Less Than Perfect]

I love this title! Thanks for the new thread, Twist!

Alex/Maggie were absolutely lovely this episode! Look at them having a healthy and nurturing relationship.

Also, I watched the Power Rangers movie tonight and it was SO GOOD?! Having seen both Power Rangers and Beauty and the Beast, the PR definitely had better representation. It's not much, but it's there and definitely relatable and at least verbally mentioned unlike in BATB. But yeah, I'm with Twist, it's definitely more enjoyable having watched the show as a kid and I can't see it gaining new fans. It's more of a teen and up movie than a kids movie.

Seeing Naomi Scott in PR reminds me of how much I absolutely loved her in Lemonade Mouth. She looks badass with the shorter hair.

[majesdane]

Also, I watched the Power Rangers movie tonight and it was SO GOOD?! Having seen both Power Rangers and Beauty and the Beast, the PR definitely had better representation. It's not much, but it's there and definitely relatable and at least verbally mentioned unlike in BATB. But yeah, I'm with Twist, it's definitely more enjoyable having watched the show as a kid and I can't see it gaining new fans. It's more of a teen and up movie than a kids movie.

so glad you enjoyed it!

[danvers]

I'm curious about PR but there's no way I'm paying to watch it - movies are ****ing expensive here (besides, my mom already dragged me to see BATB with her)

[Aurora Cormier]

I never cared about Power Rangers

[majesdane]

legally download that ****, manu

[Aurora Cormier]

Btw, she's right, movies ARE very expensive here nowadays

[Less Than Perfect]

Originally Posted by danvers (View Post) I'm curious about PR but there's no way I'm paying to watch it - movies are ****ing expensive here (besides, my mom already dragged me to see BATB with her)

Thankfully my mother paid for us to watch BATB, even though I did want to see it anyway, and I only ever watch movies if I can get some sort of discounted tickets or go on a cheap ass Tuesday. Movies really are too expensive.

Originally Posted by Carmilla (View Post) legally download that ****, manu

But also this.

[Aurora Cormier]

[Scully_fan]

^That's why I went to see B&B in my friends group cut ticket price thing it only cost me £6 in the end instead of £10.30 which is the norm here.

I've been holed up playing mass effect and the good news is that Sara Ryder has plenty of female options to romance, but the bad news is that the gay guys were totally shafted and don't get one single squadmate to romance, whereas lesbian Ryder gets two squadmates, one crew mate, and one side non crewmate option. So yeah I feel bad for gay Scott Ryder players.

[majesdane]

^ why is that always how it is? it's like creators feel you can only have queer men or queer women in something, but they're rarely allowed to exist at the same time in a piece of media. wtf.

[Simon Spier]

^ THIS X100000000000000000000.

Also some exciting Doctor Who news!

Thats right! Doctor Who has its first queer companion! Bill Potts is openly a lesbian! Now, actress Pearl Mackie – who plays Bill – has confirmed that her character is openly gay, saying that "representation is important, especially on a mainstream show". "It shouldn't be a big deal in the 21st Century," she told the BBC. "It's about time isn't it? "It's important to say people are gay, people are black. "I remember watching TV as a young mixed race girl not seeing many people who looked like me, so I think being able to visually recognise yourself on screen is important. "[Being gay] is not the main thing that defines her character – it's something that's part of her and something that she's very happy and very comfortable with."

Pearl Mackie confirms that new Doctor Who companion Bill Potts is gay