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Old 06-12-2016, 04:41 PM
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LGBTQ Thread #8: Your existence is revolutionary. Just existing is genuinely, genuinely a rebellion and an act of strength and bravery.



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LGBTQ COMMUNITY THREAD

This is a place for LGTBQ fans and allies to talk about their experiences in real life and how the show portrays the community. This includes discussion about any of the LGBTQ storylines, couples, and characters on Orphan Black, as well as any LGBTQ/allies persons of the cast and crew -- but please remember that opinions will differ on certain subjects and keep try to keep it polite. Expressing dislike of a character or frustration at a storyline is acceptable, but full-on bashing is not.

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I feel that Felix ... I-I just don't know when, as a society, in television and film it sort of only became okay to represent gay people in, like, the traditional sense. Where they have a great job and well-adjusted parents and maybe a surrogate, or adopted, child. Like, when was that the only way you could represent gay people?

-- Jordan Gavaris (Felix)





We speak to that community not like, "this is what a gay relationship is like", this is what any relationship is like. I think it makes it very normal and un-special in a way? It's really important to me.

-- Tatiana Maslany (the clones)




It's not an issue anymore and it shouldn't be, you know what I mean? It's all good. I think that's what makes people have a sigh of relief where it's not a huge deal. It's love, you know? As complex and great and wonderful and crazy as it is! That's the way I feel. I feel that from the fans, too, they're happy this level has been hit.

-- Evelyne Brochu (Delphine)





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Delphine, a conflicted straight girl, gives our thesis on sexuality in episode eight, when she says " ... as a scientist I know that sexuality is a spectrum, but social biases codify sexual attraction, contrary to the biological facts."

So, yes, the biological facts: People are definitely "born this way". That’s the nature side, whether it's genetic, or epigenetic, or whether womb chemistry plays a part. As each of our clones were carried by different surrogates, that could explain differences in sexuality. But who wants to run around blaming mothers and their hormone levels for the sexuality of their children? Haven’t we had enough of that, since, like, forever? Maybe it was the lipstick in Daddy's glove box? Or Great Uncle Arthur's? Okay, then how about the nurture side of things?

Cosima grew up in the Bay Area, in a permissive community and a progressive home fostering intellectual and social tolerance. She learned to approach sexuality without shame, with curiosity. I think Cosima's been "bisexual" (if you had to codify it), but maybe she's ready to self-identify as gay. She would defend her freedom to choose, no matter where nature placed her in the spectrum. And Delphine too makes a choice to follow her heart for an individual, even though she’s always been "straight." Awwwww ... isn't that sweet, shippers? So, sexuality is a spectrum of many factors, and even though we’re a show about clones, we celebrate individuality and the crazy contingencies of nature. And just to keep it all in perspective (season-two spoiler!), Cosima will remind us at some point next year: "My sexuality is not the most interesting thing about me." Okay? There, jeez, keep it in your pants (or your lab coat)!

-- Graeme Manson (showrunner)


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[In five years] I see more representations of queer culture. There's so many films that speak about it in beautiful, personal way and make it universal because ultimately it's about humanity. I hope that becomes a given. We'll watch a film with a lesbian character as the lead and that won't become the defining characteristic.

-- Tatiana Maslany (the clones)



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Old 06-12-2016, 04:43 PM
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title comes from this tumblr post:

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@ all lgbt ppl : your existence is revolutionary. just existing is genuinely, genuinely a rebellion and an act of strength and bravery. you don’t have to do anything, just breathing and making it to see another day is wild. i’m so proud of us, honestly. i’m in awe by all of us just…existing. they want us gone, they want us dead, they want us– i can’t. i don’t have anything to say, i just. i want you all to know i love you. and your existence is rebellion.

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i thought it was very fitting, given the state of real life and fiction right now.
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Good quote. Coincidentally, I was in Orlando when the shooting happened (but not in Pulse).
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i hate how people are trying to make this a religious thing when really it's a plain homophobic thing. homophobia is alive and well in the US and this is just the culmination of decades of individual murders and hateful rhetoric.
THIS. I kept hearing "terrorism" all day, and all I could think was is it THAT hard to call it what it is???
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Good quote. Coincidentally, I was in Orlando when the shooting happened (but not in Pulse).
i'm glad you weren't at the club, bb, but stay safe.

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THIS. I kept hearing "terrorism" all day, and all I could think was is it THAT hard to call it what it is???
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TFTNT

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Good quote. Coincidentally, I was in Orlando when the shooting happened
glad you're ok. stay safe
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Old 06-13-2016, 12:37 AM
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Thanks for the new thread Twist!

So sad to hear of the shooting this morning. This title really is so appropriate.

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Good quote. Coincidentally, I was in Orlando when the shooting happened (but not in Pulse).
Glad to hear you're safe!
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So sad to hear of the shooting this morning.
even though i live far away from orlando, i can't deny it's put me in a bit of a haze. i think back to all the clubs/pride events i've gone to and how easily this same thing could have happened. (especially when i went clubbing in weho, because it's crazy busy and wide open.) scary. and so sad.
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Very fitting title. Tftnt.

I couldn't believe the news yesterday. 50 people. Even now it just beggars belief.
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yeah, it's hard to imagine. i've been off all day today because i can't get it out of my head.
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humanity is sick
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it really is. and i hate all the ****ing straighties who are downplaying that this was a HATE CRIME and are trying to inject themselves into the conversation as usual. god forbid something isn't about the straighties for once.
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Is anyone watching or has watched OITNB this season?

I think I'm just going to watch it through tumblr posts this season but I've hardly seen any.
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I... skimmed through the season a lot. the show is kind of boring to me so I basically only watch the arcs/characters that I like. which means I'm usually done with 13 episodes in 3 hours
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Is anyone watching or has watched OITNB this season?

I think I'm just going to watch it through tumblr posts this season but I've hardly seen any.
i'm watching it. i always binge watch the seasons when they come out. right now i'm on ep 11, it's 1am, and i'm just gonna power through 'til the end.
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