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Old 03-31-2016, 09:38 PM
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Episode discussion 3.17 | Deleware {Airs April 1st}





A risky journey is undertaken by Abbie and Ichabod to save the world with one day remaining before The Hidden One becomes omniscient once again. Meanwhile, Jenny, Joe and Sophie come up with plan to help the Witnesses do their thing.
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Old 04-01-2016, 07:33 PM
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I loved the beginning.
Crane giving Abbie a coffee with his face in it as a design and Abbie giving Crane a donut. Look at them being so domestic. lol They act so much like a couple even if they are not.

"Whatever you do, I do. That's the deal."

I sort of understand Jenny's being concerned about working with Pandora... I love the Witnesses choice to team up with Pandora, but you just can't fully 100% trust her yet.
I feel Jenny for being a little wary about everything her. Pandora just tells the two witnesses to go to a location, and they just go because she says it.... I can definitely understand the reason for being skeptical.

Oh Betsy Ross is still on the show? okay.

River Styx. Gatewate to the Underworld is where the two witnesses are located. At least they are together? lol

I loved the boat trip with Crane and Abbie, they really got to talk about some things. I loved how Crane has Abbie as his best partner he ever had.

I did not care for Daniel Reynolds joining the team and taking lead when Crane and Abbie were away. He is the new member of the crew so yeah... of course I didn't care for it but I guess he's just naturally leads things and I love how Daniel finally admitted that he was suppose to keep tabs on Abbie. He explained that he was working for a higher person in Jack Walters. He just didn't realize the danger in it until recently when he found out that Crane and Abbie were the Witnesses and face all types of supernatural creatures.

Hopefully we don't see Abbie getting trapped in this world... seems like each season ends badly for her, and seeing how this is the last episode until the season finale, you can see my concern.

I found it extremely strange how the father of the Mills sisters just pops up out of no where... I was like... um okay. lol
The Hidden one has now turned Joe into a full-time beast.

My only issue with Crane and Abbie being in the caves is that shouldn't time had moved slower for them? so when they returned it should've been like weeks, months or days later.

Aww Crane and Abbie talking about how they were talking to themselves to each other. lol
However, the shocker was that they found Betsy Ross. and at least they explained why she looked normal for a dead person. I can't say I was too shocked though because I always expected to see her in the present form somehow.

The Hidden one admitting he only loved power... color me not shocked.

The father finally admitting with most of us already knew, he has always know about the hidden darkness in the world.
All I kept thinking was that I hope that Ezra doesn't die before he can explain everything.

Crane/Betsy relationship is so Crane/Katrina 2.0. Don't get the meaning for it at all. Also Betsy looked very jealousy of Abbie.... ohkay....

Wow Jenny had to kill Joe to save her father. Aww that was sad.
Her happiness was surely not long.

Again, not getting Betsy Ross being in the present. I think I would have rather them have kept Katrina on the series than a 2.0 version of her.
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Old 04-01-2016, 07:38 PM
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Ok, for Crane to be a man from another time, he knows a lot about modern things , I was born in this century and have no clue for my cappuccino, how to make a self-portrait out of foam and chocolate. Ah, that interaction between Abbie and Crane sooooo sweet. I love these moments between them---They are so good together.

Loved, hearing Nicole sing as they were going down the river--but, for me, it wasn't long enough.

I find it funny, that as Crane and Abbie were going down the river, Ichabod felt he had to tell Abbie they were entering another dimension--- as if, she could not see or sense it for herself, after all, she lived it for 9 months. It's the same as Danny telling Jenny, Joe, Sophie and Pandora what to do--

Felt sick when Joe left the others and sensed we were in for some kind of interruption. Who would of thought it'd be Ezra Mills?. We knew, he knew more than he was letting on (that he too, was involved in the Supernatural and he already knew Crane, before they were introduced). Just hope we find out more in the finale about Ezra's involvement. The fact, Ezra knew Corbin was surprising--but, something is not adding up. Why would he leave those girls for as long as he did? And, why would he let Corbin help raise them instead of himself? Jenny's expression when Ezra knew Joe turned into the Wendigo, that was priceless. I don't think Joe is dead, I hope not. I like Zach Appelman a lot as Joe Corbin--to me, his character is refreshing .

We knew the THO was a jerk, but to me he is a donkey's A$$ --did Pandora kill him??? not quite sure what happened there.

Why did I think we were done with BR?, yuck. Should of known the SH writers wouldn't let her go quickly or quietly. That look BR gave Abbie humored me. With all of Crane's declarations to Abbie about being the best partner he ever had; I hope he does not betray her for BR. I'm hopeful!!

I really don't feel any sparks between Abbie and Danny, their relationship is a bit blah for me. I'm glad Danny told Sophie about his having to keep an close eye on Abbie!! but, when she finds out--I think there will be hell to pay and that will end their romance.

For me, the episode moved quickly--and it had it's moments of suspense--but it didn't thrill me. Don't quite know what the finale will bring. But, if God is willing and the creek don't rise--I'll be watching next week--

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Old 04-01-2016, 07:51 PM
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Again, not getting Betsy Ross being in the present. I think I would have rather them have kept Katrina on the series than a 2.0 version of her.

For me,!!!! Oh heck no!!! no, no, no. I don't care much for Betsy--but the torture of KC does not in my opinion come close.
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Old 04-01-2016, 08:54 PM
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Ok, I am bummed. Just read; Zach Appelman's; Joe Corbin did die a real death and will not be back on SH. Why him? why not kill off Betsy Ross, Pandora or Danny?. I know the finale is coming next week--- but can only hope anyone or all three of those characters join Joe. Perhaps, if we get a season 4, they will bring him back.

All I know is: it better be Abbie and Crane sitting on the porch at the end of the finale. No more using Abbie as the sacrificial lamb or bait shipping, SH's very patient fandom!! No more!! Unfortunately, You just never know with the SH PTB

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Old 04-02-2016, 12:32 PM
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I was shocked that they killed off Joe. Dang. Poor guy.
Don't get the point of Betsy Ross being in the present, what makes it worse is how predictable it is.
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:49 PM
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Ok... I missed watching last night but here are my thoughts.

SHADY PAPA MILLS!!! WTFH? So Corbin told him to leave town? Nice!! He should have just stayed gone!

NOT JOE!!!!! take out Danny or Sophie!! NOT JOE!!!!!! Ugh.....

The Hidden One.... well...... He's gonna get a beat down. That's coming for certain. I hope Pandora makes it out of all of this. I really do. She needs to live a life that's hers and not something in service to a man who was a total Jerk Loser.

IT'S BETSY!! So, General Washington probably forged the letter that Ichabod read ending their friendship all those years ago. As for Betsy probably coming back with Ichabod, I don't see a problem with it. She seems like someone who would catch on quickly to how things would work. Having her around would be way better than Katrina, the non powerful witch damsel in distress. Frankly I am getting tired of seeing all these great little moment with Ichabod and Abbie only to be disappointed YET again with the writers putting Abbie with the shady moron Danny. I can deal with Betsy being around.

Abbie brings Ichabod pastry and Ichabod makes her a cappuccino! That was so cute!! Them on the boat! Loved it!

I really liked this episode and I didn't realize it was over until the CREDITS were rolling! OMG! REALLY?
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Old 04-02-2016, 04:29 PM
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Frankly I am getting tired of seeing all these great little moment with Ichabod and Abbie only to be disappointed YET again with the writers putting Abbie with the shady moron Danny.
Whoa my God, Sleepywriter’s are starting to remind me of that one friend in high school who obsesses over his/her crush but never says anything. It’s like dude, grow a set and say something or let it go, I’m sick of hearing about it.

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Just read; Zach Appelman's; Joe Corbin did die a real death and will not be back on SH. Why him?
I was bummed by this too. I liked Joe, and I think a lot of us had a feeling with the way they were pushing Joenny. Everything isn’t for everyone, and this ended up being a storyline I didn’t like at all, wish it would have played out differently but it is what it is.

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Pandora... I love the Witnesses choice to team up with Pandora, but you just can't fully 100% trust her yet.
I feel Jenny for being a little wary about everything her. Pandora just tells the two witnesses to go to a location, and they just go because she says it.... I can definitely understand the reason for being skeptical..
I completely agree! Love the idea, but it was funny how they all just went along. I’m really interested in finding out if Pandora will try to usurp all of the power for herself when it all goes down. Really enjoyed watching her this season. I love Jenny. Every squad needs a Jenny, lmao. She stays on that ‘no new friends’ tip.

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Again, not getting Betsy Ross being in the present.
I was cracking up when they found her, like ofcourse she’s alive. Why wouldn't she be. I got spoiled a little bit on that part but it was still funny to see it actually happen. I don’t really get that either, and the showrunner made some comments about it that made it make even less sense. They’re spoilerish so I won’t post them, but yeah. Me either. Betsy is a character that actually sounded interesting to me, and I really wanted to like, but sadly I ended up not enjoying her for the same reasons I didn't enjoy Katrina. I do wonder though had the actress who portrays her been cast as Zoe, and vice versus if I would have enjoyed her more, as I don't think this particular role was conducive to her strengths. When you think of it they did obliterate their own timeline to fit her in, so I’m kind of waiting to see something to make it worth all of that, who knows, maybe next week.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:33 PM
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Yeah... I'm not getting why they killed of Katrina if they were going to bring in a 2.0 version of her. It just makes no sense and it's not like she was well received from the audience so no idea what the SH writers were thinking her.

I would have liked to see Joe storyline play out differently as well.
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Old 04-03-2016, 01:03 AM
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Yeah, I think once presented it became clear that it was bad, and that the Betsy storyline wouldn't go over well. I really like the history twist in the show, and they were not as enjoyable this season because I feel like they were trying to fit her in.
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Yeah, I think once presented it became clear that it was bad, and that the Betsy storyline wouldn't go over well. I really like the history twist in the show, and they were not as enjoyable this season because I feel like they were trying to fit her in.
Yeah and it feels recycled and ... not going to even add anything else. lol
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what can I say about this ep? Not much. There were some decent Abbie/Crane moments, but as usual the writers ruined it with retcon and massive inconsistencies.
This show is done. I don't see it getting another season and if they're going to continue this lazy, sophmoric writing it doesn't deserve one.

I mourn the brilliance that was a good bit of season one.
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:10 PM
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^ I pretty much I agree with you.
I think we all mourn the brilliance of season one.
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Old 04-06-2016, 11:10 AM
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Only this show would be foolish enough to kill off Joe Corbin and leave us with Daniel Reynolds and Betsy Ross for the season/series finale.

The only thing I liked about this episode was the preview for said finale.
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Old 04-06-2016, 12:48 PM
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Only this show would be foolish enough to kill off Joe Corbin and leave us with Daniel Reynolds and Betsy Ross for the season/series finale.

The only thing I liked about this episode was the preview for said finale.

Don't know why your post had me laughing...
There wasn't much to gush about in this episode, that's for sure.
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