L i N d $ @ y

I really hope so. I find myself agreeing to most of what Louis' therapist was saying. If he was a sensible person, he wouldn't have encouraged this, he wouldn't have started this in the first place. But deep inside he craved this knowing that he cannot have Sheila. The way in which Sheila quickly jumped from ex-fiance to Louis strikes me as flip flopping and very unemotionally stable for the two of them. His personal life is a mess but in some weird way, Sheila makes him happy.

stlavin95

Fair enough, I just heard some things that suggested that they did.

Alexa

Definitely seems they had some beef but props to them for keeping it mostly private.

That definitely paints Nathan in a not so good light to me. ^ I cant fathom him not wanting Castle and Becket together. On shows like that with a male and female working together, people almost always want them to get together at some point. I can name So many shows where this is the case. Bones, X Files, Doctor Who, The Mentalist.. I can go on... Even shows with two males you see that too Hawaii Five o anyone?

stlavin95

^ Is there an show where no one wants the main female and male working together romantically?

Erin9

Lol There may be, but most shows are driven by that storyline. I think a lot of actors/writers worry about keeping the audience interested afterwards though.

But- if you wait too long- it feels like putting it off for the sake of putting it off. JAG is an excellent example of this. 9 seasons they circled each other, and they got together in the last episode. It should have happened much earlier. It hurt the characters and the show to keep tossing obstacles.

DiamondGirl5

To be fair, Fillion would repeat the common excuse of "look what happened to Moonlighting when Maddie and David got together--it died." Never mind that off-screen factors, such as the 1988 writers strike, and Cybil Shepherd giving birth to twins and Bruce Willis filming Die Hard prevented them from working together as often in the 4th season, when ratings seriously declined. The show also lost some of its production/writing team. By season 5, the creative spark for all involved had waned. No one wanted to do it anymore, and it showed. So, for me, using the so-called "Moonlighting curse" as an excuse for not getting Castle and Beckett together isn't valid. Near the end of the series, Nathan admitted he'd been wrong to say that Castle and Beckett shouldn't marry.

Pacing for a TV romance is tricky. Waiting too long to bring a couple together will erode interest and belie credibility. Bringing a couple together too soon may also erode interest, but the challenge becomes keeping the story fresh and compelling without the will-they-won't-they hook. Bones might be the best example of making that transition work, but writers are usually afraid to take that leap. Before the not-wedding in season 6, Castle and Beckett became an official couple in season 4, and viewers loved it. It was a huge moment. (Don't give up on Castle--seasons 4, 5, 6, and part of 7 are worth the time.)

Both Gabriel and Sarah have resisted Harvey and Donna getting together too. Gabriel has stated many times that he'd rather Harvey and Donna not get together until the very end of the series (if at all). Depending on how long Suits lasts, it might happen that way but Suits is approaching the point where it must decide to either marry Darvey or end it completely, I think. Season 9, maybe? (Btw, there is a very significant portion of the audience who wants Harvey and Mike together romantically--google it--but, of course, neither is gay and that was never the intention of AK; I suspect that's the case with the H-50 leads.)

DiamondGirl5

Yes, I'm crying. The final 10 minutes are very emotional. The airtime given to the wedding and reception was short and sweet, with much ambiguity in how Harvey and Donna were presented as moving forward--Mike and Rachel's vows are heard in a voiceover as Harvey and Donna walk down the aisle together, and their dances at the wedding were lightly romantic and fun--I'll get back to them in a minute.

The wedding was lovingly photographed and the vows were heartfelt, but Mike and Harvey...I think Gabriel and Patrick ad-libbed that part about the who the best man really was (if so, I'm glad it was left in), and it was fitting that Mike told Harvey about his job offer before anyone else (except Rachel, of course). Although Harvey looked a bit rocked by Mike's news, especially since he'd just offered Mike senior partnership, he kept it together...I didn't. I was a goner by then. Harvey will feel Mike's absence in season 8. I liked Mike's line, "I'm ready"--an acknowledgement of the mentor/protegee relationship that formed the core of this series. IT really is the end of an era.

It's been clear for awhile that Mike had a passion for pro bono work, and I like that he was self-aware enough to basically tell Harvey that he couldn't continue to work for the clinic and the firm. He was right, and I think Harvey knows that too, deep down. But change is hard for Harvey, and I think he's going to feel a little lost for awhile.

Back to Harvey and Donna...clearly, although there wasn't seismic movement forward, the romantic focus will shift to Darvey in season 8. Harvey will be affected by Mike's leaving but also because Donna is starting to exert her authority in a way that fits her skill set. It will be interesting to see how any romantic movement is affected by their working relationship, and vice versa.

Scottie? Never, during that entire relationship, for all she and Harvey fought about work, about keeping secrets, etc., did Scottie EVER suspect Harvey had feelings for Donna. They just never talked about it. Scottie's been out of Harvey's life for several seasons, and now, out of nowhere, she thinks Harvey has feelings for Donna? That scene made zero sense. There had to have been a more believable way of getting the point across that everyone except Harvey recognizes that there's something between him and Donna. Louis? Gretchen? Someone who's actually seen Harvey and Donna in the last two years?

I loved Mike's scenes with Louis--those two have shared very few scenes since season 4, so I'm glad their relationship found some closure. Mike's scenes with both Louis and Donna were more weighted than their scenes have been in ages...and in Donna's case, maybe ever.

I've been half-expecting Robert Zane to come over to the firm for at least two seasons, and I'm glad it finally happened. This time, the firm shake-up will come from the inside (and it also keeps the spirit of Rachel alive and well).

The backdoor pilot part of the show was intriguing but, aside from Gina (and Gabriel's part in it), I wasn't impressed by the spin-off's cast, most of whom are established working actors--maybe I need to see more...and maybe that's another reason the spin-off should've been given its own pilot episode; part of the purpose of the pilot is to introduce and establish characters, but there was no time to really get a feel for any of these characters, except for Jessica's family, whom I like and hope they continue as regulars. And, honestly, while I understand the economic prudence of filming a backdoor pilot (as opposed to filming a stand-alone pilot), I really wish the Suits finale had focused more on the wedding and the exit of two main characters.

I appreciated Jessica's line to Harvey, "You're the closest thing that kid has to family...I'll take care of mine, you go take care of yours" though I was a little disappointed she wasn't at the wedding.

L i N d $ @ y

I'll watch the 2-part finale later so I haven't read any posts here yet but I'm getting emotional from some of the cast posts on IG. Also they really timed it well for the show to be over before Meghan's wedding. That was also the last we'll ever see of Meghan on TV.

DiamondGirl5

If those IG posts are getting to you, better not read this post-show interview with Gabriel--

https://www.etonline.com/meghan-mark...clusive-101008

Mike and Harvey's goodbye scene was the last Gabriel and Patrick shot together, and it was the most poignant scene of the finale.

Alexa

that sounds awful.

this is me. for both shows. But I obviously know it will never happen. Its mostly just fun.

Erin9

Right now, I think i’m generally just underwhelmed by those 2 episodes as a whole.
There were some great moments, absolutely, but over all not that compelling of a 2 hours.

Another clinic case that sucked up Mike’s time and took him away from the main cast. I guess that was kind of fitting, but it was pretty boring. All I can hope is that I never see the clinic, Oliver, or Nathan again. I’m stunned the clinic hadn’t collapsed years ago. Nathan is not exactly impressive. Very kind of Louis to personally give mike the money. Thanks to Donna. I was glad she finally put her foot down regarding Mike’s end runs around Harvey.

Not much time went to Mike’s decision to change jobs, but that’s fine since it’s been a thing since the beginning. And Especially in the last 1.5 seasons, we’ve been hit over the head with his desire to do good. I’m not sure I buy Rachel jumping up and down to move and do this. She was never anywhere near as passionate as Mike, but they had to do something.

Jessica’s pilot. Well I liked her and Harvey. As always. No one else made an impression. It will be a dark and dirty world, and I think it’s more likely that she gets darker with it. Jessica said something to the effect Harvey was the best partner she’d ever had IIRC. Great line if I have it right.

The fight for the firm. Best of the main stories, though getting a bit redundant. It was a clever way to get Robert in the door. Especially since it’s not just Harvey/Louis needing him, but him needing them since he got stabbed in the back by his partners. It was nice to see mike play a role in that, courtesy of Donna. That should be interesting next season.

Darvey. I was not at all surprised with what happened. Or didn’t. It’s what they’ve done all season: teased. With nothing concrete. Just a scene with Scottie, mike’s VO as they walked down the aisle and a dance. Which were nice. I hope they decide to actually get on with it next season- and I hope that actually includes putting them together. Timing is right. There is no other main couple left. Characters have grown personally and professionally. And my feeling is it’s too late to decide to do nothing with them based on this season.

I can buy into Scottie saying that since she’s known Harvey forever; even if she never seemed to feel threatened by Donna, she knew they were close. And she definitely suspected Donna’s feelings. I think she could tell Harvey had grown a lot. She wouldn’t have hinted at another go around otherwise imo. So- then she guessed the real complication’s name was Donna.

Harvey and Mike’s last 2 scenes were really good. Glad they included one more scene of them bantering before they handled Mike leaving. Harvey doesn’t like change, but he’s the best positioned he’s ever been to handle this change well. And it feels like time the way they set it up. Harvey knew it too. And, of course, it was nice to see mike and Rachel finally marry. It was a long time coming.

DiamondGirl5

Too much story was crammed into the final hour, almost obscuring the wedding, the imminent departures of Mike and Rachel, and the end of one of television's great bromances. None of that was served as well as it could've been if, for example, the spin-off had been given its own pilot or had been shot within a different episode.

Between Harvey helping Jessica in Chicago and Mike working a case at the clinic, an opportunity was missed to celebrate the relationship that jump-started Suits in the first place. Maybe their being pulled in different directions was the point--after all, the idea of mentoring is to allow the mentored individual room to learn and grow in a protective environment until he's ready to stand on his own. Mike is ready to try.

I wouldn't say Rachel wasn't as passionate as Mike--she seemed very passionate about both the Innocence Project case and the discrimination case she worked with her father--but she also never seemed conflicted about balancing that type of pro bono work with corporate law.

AK, Sarah, and Gabriel have all stated that Mike and Rachel will continue to have a presence, so maybe we'll eventually get updates on their lives in Seattle. Just as it will be difficult for Harvey to move forward without Mike, I imagine it will be equally hard for Mike to move forward without Harvey.

Finally, as sweet as the wedding was, there were other moments I missed--such as Rachel's last moments with her father... the wedding toast (which would've been a lovely way to end the episode)...Rachel didn't get a good-bye with Louis, and she was really a closer friend to Louis than Mike...I was a little surprised not to see Katrina at the wedding...and, Harvey said something to Mike about the part about family in the wedding vows--was that edited out? I wonder if there's a longer version of the wedding that might be included on the DVD.

No one's mentioned the s8 teaser--it appears Samantha Wheeler hits the ground running.

LightYears

‘Suits’ Finale: Series Creator On Patrick J. Adams & Meghan Markle’s Exits, New Twist, Season 8 & Spinoff Details | Deadline

DiamondGirl5

Post-finale interview with AK, spoilerish--

‘Suits’ Finale: Patrick J. Adams & Meghan Markle’s Exits & Season 8 | Deadline

I must admit, I'm looking forward to watching KH's character insert herself into the shifting firm dynamic. Maybe throwing everything into the air and seeing what sticks is what this show needs right now.

Erin9

Yeah. They certainly crammed too much in imo. It just wasn’t a compelling 2 hours. I wasn’t left thinking- next season can’t come soon enough.

Rachel was passionate about pro bono, true, but not at all like Mike. She got into the one off cases same as everyone could from time to time. I never got the impression she had any interest in changing career directions. She never seemed torn about whether or not to be a corporate lawyer. Mike spent a lot of time mulling whether he should be a corporate lawyer at all- ie end of last season. Put it this way- if Rachel had left on her own, I don’t think she’d have gone into pro bono. She’d have been more likely to join her father’s firm or another corporate firm. Mike- obviously he’d have left to do good.

I think the biggest problem I had was that they didn’t leave me feeling like I NEED to know what happens next. I’m curious about the new dynamics, but that’s it.

I’m curious about Darvey, but I can just see them sitting in this limbo for a long time- or for good. Because there seems to be no hurry to do anything at all. I’m fine with taking their time putting them together, but this feels a bit ridiculous. Donna is bothered by Harvey with Paula. Consistently bothered. But that's it. She then kisses Harvey. And....after all that ....nothing at all to say to anyone. No behavior change. Just nothing really. What Harvey thinks is hard to say too. He’s said about nothing, which is more to be expected. It’s been suggested to both that they should give it a go, but that’s it. Really?

AK’s interview didn’t change my opinion on next season either. There were lots of ifs, maybes, we’ll sees. Some of which I get, to be fair. He just didn’t say much at all.

I thought the preview scene was interesting, but I expected Sam to come in with a bang from what little I’d read. And she is. So I’m curious, but that’s it. I think it’ll be interesting and hopefully it works well. I guess just compared to last season there were lots of really specific character stories to be excited or really curious about - Mike at the firm again, Donna’s more, Harvey as managing partner, Rachel as a lawyer, Louis’ personal life....this time, it’s all really vague.