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I am glad to know we will get some Bachel scenes. Elizabeth and David always work well together. A lot more than Billy and Liz IMO.
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I'm trying really hard here. There was something I read previously on tumblr. It's a reply to one of my posts, and it's similar to what you said here. It's a little long, but I think you'll enjoy it. Quote:
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Inspired by me?!!? Thank you very much.
That's an amazing art, Grace! One more parallel. We should list them all. And the first one is really great too. Bass totally broke Rachel in this scene. Not the best Rachel/Bass moment, surely. This art you have just made! This episode and all the scenes between Bass and Charlie. Like I already said, it brought me many Bachel feelings. I liked those scenes with Charlie because she is a reflection of Rachel. And Bass clearly sees it very fast. So it's almost like he's talking with Rachel. With the very important difference that he sees Charlie as a kid and as Rachel's kid. So the behavior is different, of course. I love that he's keeping his promise. I'm sure he won't hurt Charlie. And I love that he said Charlie shouldn't talk to him like that. Because you know, he does it with everyone, except Rachel (and Miles, but it doesn't matter here). In my mind he was also thinking about Rachel when he said maybe Miles could talk with him like that. But he didn't say it to Charlie because you know, it would be awkward. I'm not sure if Charlie knew (or if she remembers) that Rachel and Bass used to be friends. Liz said it here. I'm pretty sure you have seen this video, Grace. She said if someone is responsible for causing her pain and anger, this someone is Bass. All her pain and anger is directed at him. I also think that's very extreme. Because Rachel is responsible for the blackout in the first place. And that's why the conversation in the bunker is so amazing. Bass is the only one that can actually make her reflect about those things she has done. Because he's just like her. Both are in very similar situations. And now with the bombs. It's the same thing again. He's in the same place as her. Both of them blaming themselves about it. Rachel and Bass must talk about it. I'm sure he would make her feel better if Bass tells her he's also responsible for what happened. Anyway, I'm sure she will blame him for taking Randall to the Tower in the first place. Yes, it is related to her instability after everything she went through. She blames herself for so many things. And she sees a lot of Bass on her. So he's an easy target and she lashes out at him. I honestly like it. It's much more intense and exciting than the boredom and easiness that is the Rachel and Miles relationship, IMHO. No offense to anyone who likes this pairing, of course. Just my opinion. But Rachel has the right to behave this way towards Bass. Because of Danny and Ben. David talked about it recently. He was talking about Charlie, but it easily applies to Rachel as well. He said Bass will have to pay for it and he's aware of it. Here's what he says about it: X Quote:
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I've added Flightless to the list, if there's anyone else who'd like to be added just ask.
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I want to think Bass genuinely wants to help Rachel because she is wanted by this U.S. government as much as Bass himself. And when he asked if Miles was with Rachel, it was because he thinks Miles can help too. Because Bass thinks they can be as dangerous as Randall. I expect him to try to make amends with Rachel. I feel he genuinely wants to help them all because of everything bad he did. But I can see Bass having his very own ideas and his very own agenda because this U.S. government is blaming him for the bombs and they destroyed his militia. I think Bass is attracted to Rachel. But I have the feeling he wouldn't try something. Because of Miles and because of Rachel too. The way he talked about Miles being with Rachel. It really looks like he knows what they feel for each other. At least what Miles feels for Rachel. Quote:
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updated the op guys
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Please add me
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Thanks very much for updating the OP, Mel!
I really appreciate that you took some of your time to do it. You should add the rest of the scene. It's beautiful. __________________
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Once again, thank you very much, Mel!
Well, Rachel and Bass. That's a typical Rachel/Bass intense eye conversation. My heart skipped a beat when she entered through the door. The way he looks at her and says her name. That's just with Rachel and no one else. And she is with a gun aimed at him and he continues to intensely look at her eyes. Not to the gun. And I love that even after Miles grabs the gun, Bass can't keep his eyes off Rachel and Rachel continues to look at him. So she continues to be very angry with him, which is very understandable. I think what happened with Randall and the bombs increased her anger. She blames him for taking Randall to the Tower, surely. I'm not sure if she will ever forgive him. If she does, it will take a very long time. But maybe when she figures out he saved Charlie's life once again and from a gang of possible rapers. Maybe she will give up on killing him and give him a chance. Like she did before in the Tower. I'm not sure what Bass wants. He wants to help, of course, but I hope he is doing it for Rachel and Charlie and for himself. Not exactly for Miles. Bass and Rachel need to talk. What I would give for a honest conversation between these two. It will be a crime if they don't talk now that they are reunited and fighting for the same cause. Quote:
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