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Old 12-08-2015, 11:42 AM
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[4x09] Dark Waters: Mid-Season Finale Discussion

Dark Waters
4x09 - episode discussion



After the city is attacked again, Oliver (Stephen Amell) makes a bold move against HIVE. Malcolm (John Barrowman) checks in on Thea (Willa Holland) and leaves her with a warning. Things take a horrible turn when Damien Darhk (guest star Neal McDonough) retaliates in a brutal manner at Oliver’s mayoral holiday party.
John Behring directed the episode written by Wendy Mericle & Ben Sokolowski (#409). Original airdate 12/9/2015.
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Old 12-08-2015, 12:01 PM
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This looks so intense. Can't wait.
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Old 12-09-2015, 07:09 PM
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Great episode.
Sad attack at Star City Bay to start off the episode. Thank goodness no one died.
I loved Laurel and Felicity scenes in the beginning. I general it would be nice to have more girl friendships on this show and see it for a longevity of a time.

I love seeing Diggle's rage towards Andy.

Why did Mama Smoak ruin the proposal. I didn't like it at first and I didn't like when Felicity confronted Oliver about it when she realized he was going to propose three months ago until Olicity had the conversation and they needed to have it because it does make one wonder if he was ever going to propose since they are back at Star City, and in the middle of all the danger, after all this is the same place where he believed he could not be happy at.

Wow Felicity calling Curtis boyfriend Paul attractive.

Donna and Quentin are lovely.

Damien Dark is really the best villain in all four seasons of Arrow, well not the best, the most evil and just scariest. Slade Wilson is up there but DD is really on a whole different level, and his powers makes him that way.

I love the conversation between Laurel and Oliver, it truly feel like their relationship is moving towards the right track. All their scenes were really great.

Malcolm as Green Arrow. Awesome. Just no match for Damian Dark.
Nice for Merlyn to go for the save though.

I gotta say that scene at the end scared me with Oliver giving the speech... I was just hoping no one got shot or something, I mean these Oliver for Major events have not been going to swell recently. That was a beautiful moment for Oliver and Felicity. With all this happiness for them, it made me so concerned for them.

Felicity getting shot in the end. I knew it would happen once we saw them in the limo, I was like.

I guess this brings into question, is Felicity the person in the grave? Make it's a fake... maybe he is visiting his mother's grave? and he thinking about Felicity or something...

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Old 12-09-2015, 07:15 PM
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I am gonna say the real unpopular thing. I don't believe Felicity is gonna die and I am quite pissed off about it.

I am tired of over used death fake outs on shows like these. I hated it with the Walking Dead did it with Glenn and I'm gonna hate it here. If you're going to kill someone. Do it. Don't tease. Play with the viewers emotions and then pull I am just kidding swerve.

If they killed Felicity and she dies in the premiere. Then make it stick.
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Thoughts on the episode throughout:

Of course the writers would put a mini Felicity in a scene and have Oliver save her. It's a bit overkill.

Wish they would give Oliver a running opponent. Having to run against someone who wants to destroy him politically while facing DD who wants to just destroy him would be a damn good storyline.

I don't quite understand why Oliver would make this announcement to have callers call the hotline and then have his BTS team mate(s) handle it. Why wouldn't people from his actual campaign be doing this?

We BEST get Laurels reaction to Q/D dating. It's nice to see Q actually smiling. If only they gave the Lance family more fun moments like the Smoaks get to get.

I love DD, he is such a great villain. They really need to work on giving the show more great villains both minor and major like The Flash has.

REALLLY want to know when Laurel is going to find out her dad is working with DD as a double agent and that she has a target on her back, just as I wonder if DD will actually act upon it. She has yet to have any scenes with him and I need to them to give her some GOOOOD stuff between those two.

Where do they find these random Ghosts? Do they just stand around Star City trying to break into things? They really are just Arrows version of Power Rangers Putty Patrol.

Laurel/Oliver scene, how nice.

Well guess now Laurel knows. Ugh oh...more secrets, lol of course Laurel is forever being left out of the loop. Unfortunately, with L/O being in a friendly place now, they probably wont have her confront him about it.

Lord there is a whole storyline between Malcolm and Quentin that needs to be explored! Sadly it will most likely just be ignored.

This may be one of my favorite Laurel/Quentin scenes, like ever.

The Olicity scene with her telling him that she can make her own decisions was a nice, touching scene.

Im kind of sad that DD didn't make a joke about Green Arrows lack of facial hair.

Semi-kudos on them actually using the Canary Cry halfway decently, though they go ahead and do it again and it is basically useless. Sara's was able to literally knock people unconscious, that's what I need from this writers okay?

I really want DD's people to bring in some bigger henchmen to help him with his vigilante problem. The Ghosts are beyond played out.

Can't say how nice and refreshing it is to see Laurel/Quentin being happy with one another.

I'm kind of surprised that Oliver and co. let their guard down and didn't think about a retaliation.

And of course que the "Felicitys dead!" comments. Lol at this cliff hanger that isn't remotely a cliff hanger.

Overall this is probably the best episode of the season and is what I want more of.

Only thing I probably would have changed/added is Oliver being more worried about Thea when she was in the gas chamber. That is his little sister and last living relative but he was more worried about Felicity. Don't get me wrong, I am ok with their scenes in this episode, but Oliver/Thea deserved a bit more emotion during her near death experience.
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I loved the episode. I'll give better thoughts after rewatch.

I loved Lance and Donna. So cute.

I actually like Felciity figuring out Oliver was gonna propose in Ivy town and asking him why he hadn't done it since. Felicity is always direct when she wants to know somethings so I liked it.

Quentin and Malcolm both had roles and moment to change me in for the save loved that.

I like Laurel andnOliver talking and Laurel not letting Oliver go to that place and blame himself. This is the friendship I've been waiting for.

Oh and I loved the opening Laurel and Felciity scene. It was so cute. I won't more girl time damn it.

Laurel was awesome all around tonight.

The proposal was sweet. She's is light we all knew that

That ending and promo WTF? trying a bit to hard to make it look like Felicity is dead.
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Old 12-09-2015, 11:01 PM
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Loved the ending but sadly I don't think it will stick. I didn't watch, my sister filled me in
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Old 12-10-2015, 06:29 AM
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More than likely the grave at the start is a fake-out and they're probably gonna fake Felicity's death. Considering they're trying to shove it in our faces so much.
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:00 AM
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Surprisingly the best part of the best part of the episode for me was the Laurel & Malcolm showdown with Darkh and his goons. Laurel stepped up big time and loved how many times we got to hear the Canary Cry. And dude, Malcolm stepping up by wearing the Green Arrow costume- that was insane!

(Just one question- does Oliver have spares or what? Because we've seen Dig wear it, we've seen Roy, and now Malcolm- the men can't all be the same size! )

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Sadly with Olicity there was a loss in surprise factor. It was too predictable. There was too much bliss, so I was just waiting for that other shoe to drop. And then when they showed them in the limo, it was like sht. You just knew it would happen then.

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If the grave turns out to be Felicity's, I will be forever pissed!

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Overall, excellent winter finale!
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Old 12-10-2015, 07:47 AM
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good finale. love olicity. hope she's not dead. but mrs smoak.
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Old 12-10-2015, 08:31 AM
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Great episode i think the best of the season so far. I dont think felicity is dead as it was only 3 months not 6. Plus i read online that felicity's dad comes into arrow when roy comes back. I loved malcom in this episode and for a split second i thought it might of been him that died when darkh was fighting him.
Just a great episode and cant wait until 20th january what a week thats gonna be with all 3 shows starting back.
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I dont think felicity is dead as it was only 3 months not 6.
* Sigh * It's like people don't pay attention to things that the producers explicitly say. This death storyline is not operating in real-time, and the producers flat-out said so.
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* Sigh * It's like people don't pay attention to things that the producers explicitly say. This death storyline is not operating in real-time, and the producers flat-out said so.
Maybe not real time but show time has been 3 months. Felicity said it in the episode. The flashforward said 6 months from now so atleast on the show front there are 3 more months before that that death occurs.

Now I suppose it could be a slow death. Maybe she's on life support or has complications. Regardless she won't be dead in 4x10 but that's not say she can't be dead later.
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True and then there's also the fact that the writers have said there would be repercussions for Olicity for the secret Oliver is hiding.
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So anyone have speculation on what Darhks master plan is now?

Is he trying to poison people with the corn because he used the algae he used to make the gas down there? Or is he trying to sustain life if the pollution to the world becomes so bad? I imagine he's trying to create his own utopia where he makes the rules. Also have a feeling maybe whatever he's doing he's trying to do for his daughter maybe?
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