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2x17 - episode discussion

When Frank Bertinelli (guest star Jeffrey Nordling) is arrested, Oliver (Stephen Amell) knows it’s only a matter of time before his daughter, Helena, AKA The Huntress (guest star Jessica De Gouw), returns to town. To make matters worse, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) is picked to try Frank’s case, putting her right in the path of Helena. Oliver tells Sara (Caity Lotz) he will handle his ex-girlfriend, but when Helena takes hostages at the courthouse, including Laurel, the Canary will stop at nothing to save her sister. When The Huntress and Canary meet, an epic battle begins. Meanwhile, Roy (Colton Haynes) realizes he needs to keep Thea (Willa Holland) safe, but doesn’t like the way he is forced to go about it.

John Behring directed the episode written by Mark Bemesderfer & A.C. Bradley (#217).

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bonnie51

interesting episode... got a little more of Roy and Thea but still no Moira...

Oliver had Roy break up with Thea. Roy was not happy about it but I have to give the writers a shake of the head... Roy opens with "Thea, we have to break up"? So then he goes and Kisses someone else

So is Roy going to try to look after Thea by hiding in the shadows the way Oliver does now? Since Diggle mentioned that Roy was the one tasked with looking after Thea last episode.

But regardless, I don't mind that much, really haven't cared for them that much this season and this apparent love they have I don't always see but moving on.

Not much for Felicity tonight... not sure if Roy and Felicity actually talked to each other but she did respond to a statement he made... so. Progress? IDK. ALong with Felicity Diggle didn't do a ton.

On the plus side, we got to see Detective Lance.

And I guess Laurel black mailed her way back into being an ADA?

Sara was... IDK. She kind of got my nerves tonight although I understood her wanting to protect Laurel.

Oliver... he was just kind of there.

Honestly, I liked the Huntress. She was kind of cool and her dad is dead so I wonder if she is going to end up on the Suicide Squad now? She and Ollie had a little chat at the end.

Other than that the big excitement for me was Slade picking up Thea and apparently kidnapping her for next week

Coconut1214

I loved.

Sara: "What do you guys think?"
Felicity: "kick her ass"
Diggle nods his head in approval.

I'm glad she did kick her ass because ever since I saw the fight in the sneak peek, I was like WTF, Sara's supposed to be a trained assassin, let her kick someone's ass without Oliver swooping in to help.

Laurel's inclusion was forced as usual, then she blackmailed DA Manhunter to get her job back. Yeah, that's heroic. How is that showing us Laurel's getting her groove back, did she blackmail the Bar to pass as well?

Oliver you are a dumbass. Way to make your sister vulnerable and alone, good job protecting her. The same goes for telling Sara you'll watch Laurel, then leave her alone to rescue a murdering mob boss. I think Sara should've kicked his ass or asked him why he is so hell bent on protecting Frank.

So Helena's in jail, are they going the Faith route with her? or she'll be given to Amanda Waller. Poor Thea everyone is lying to her. I bet Slade tells her some truths.

Also Sara really likes hitting people with sticks.

bonnie51

maybe Laurel gets her grove back by getting her job back? IDK...

Yeah, it was not Oliver's best idea to have Roy dump Thea, thus exposing her to Slade. Which is worse...

anger filled young man whose one saving grave from said anger is Thea...

or anger filled murderer with axe to grind who told you he wanted to destroy everything and everyone you care for....



hmm, Ollie... Tough call

eternalfate

Ron_Beckett

The Birds of Prey episode was freakin' awesome!

There was so much I loved about it:

-seeing our team of 5 working together

-Oliver having to make that tough choice of protecting Thea by having Roy break up with her. I hope Roy stays in the shadows, that would be cool, kind of like that whole silent guardian type.

-Ollie calling Roy 'Speedy'!!!!!!!!!

-How could Laurel be blind as to not realize that the Canary was Sara? I can understand maybe the voice recognition being used but there were times when Sara spoke in her regular voice.

-I actually liked Laurel in this episode.

-Seeing Quentin team up with Canary and Arrow is always fun to watch and love how Ollie nearly got caught with that phone call.

-And OMG the Huntress/Canary fights were amazing!

-Dude that ending with Slade giving Thea a ride, gah!

-And loved how we got to see where Ollie got his dragon tattoo.

-I feel bad for Thea, once the dam breaks and she knows a lot of the lies it's gonna come crashing on her hard.

AzureKnight

The ep was weak but funny in many ways..Highlights:
Laurel and Helena exchanging philosophies and it working with Laurel blackmailing the DA..HOLY WTF!!
Helena being better than Black Canary..well less annoying(guess her work on Dracula did her good)
Felicity taking pot shots at Ollie like S1 Felicity was refreshing to see especially given all the soap aroung her and Ollie in previous eps.
Thea.
SLADE WILSON!!THAT DAMN ENDING

SqueegyBeckinheim

I'm okay with Laurel blackmailing to get her job back. That is one the least shady/questionable things that have happened in a city filled with people from Oliver's notebook. Now, we have two of the least moral candidates in a mayoral campaign. If Moira can be the Mayor Laurel can at least get her job back.

I'm starting to come around to her. Before I was just so indifferent to her character because her story wasn't incorporated very well into the rest of the series.

I didn't think I would care that much to see Helena again, but her last scene with Oliver was really good. I'm glad that Oliver never gave up on her. And it wasn't because he is or was in love with her. He felt responsible. We're seeing that parallel with his feelings of responsibility towards Roy and a lesser extent Sara. (I think Oliver has to feel guilt for Sara's time in the LoA).

We finally got to see the expanded Team Arrow. I'm not sure if I'm digging (no pun intended) the redefined roles going on, though. Oliver, Felicity, and Diggle's dynamic was always a flawless balance of tension and trust. I don't want to lose the chemistry of the trio.

AzureKnight

^To be frank,more screentime for canonical characters like BC/Roy will probably always mean less screen time for Digg/Felicity(although Digg is now canonical to Green Arrow story unlike Felicity) so a throwback to S1 Team Arrow is very unlikely and i'd say writers will want to expand on canonical characters more in the future as well

shapeshifter

Shades of Future Max and Liz. Anyone here old enough to get the reference? I'm so old I can't quite recall, but I think I left FanForum when it became some other name, before it went back to FanForum. Or is this a resurrection of FF? Anyhoo, TWoP is going dark until the bigwigs figure out how to suck money out of the posters or something, so here I am, back home. And Roy is pulling a Future Max, except instead of FM telling Liz to fake kiss/sleep with someone, Ollie tells Roy to do it. We've progressed in 13 years.

So, yeah, about the episode. I'm not so sure putting you dead girlfriend's tattoo on the back of the guy who also loved her is such a smart move, even if you do (mistakenly, IMO) believe he is responsible for her death.
But we know Slade isn't going to be too smart, because he's the villain, right?

Coconut1214

Roswell! I haven't thought about that show in awhile. I'm old too. And I hate that TWOP's shutting down.

I think the tat's there to remind Oliver of Shado every day for the rest of his life (even though he can't see it because it's on his back). So it's more like a mark of guilt. Plus Slade lost his mind and is not thinking clearly.

The breaking up with someone to protect them always backfires and I thought Ollie learned that lesson in the last episode with Sara? I suppose it's because Thea can't protect herself like Sara can but wouldn't that mean she'd need Roy around even more? I think Oliver lost his mind too.

ladyevenstar22

When exactly is slade going to start the ball of revenge rolling , feels like filler episodes to me when he should be wrecking havoc on oliver up to a climax where finally oliver kicks his mirakuru arse and turns thing around hope they're not waiting for a two parter finale for shizz to hit the fan

I was a bit surprised to see the team conference in the club but then I remember sara is the barmaid
I'm always more or less ok with sara scenes as long as oliver is not involved , I like her as black canary
I was wondering how come laurel didn't figure out its her sister its not same blond haier but still they must have played cosplay when they were kid wouldn't you recognize her ? Anyhoo must be same thinking that has det lance not wonder about his masked daughter spending time with the arrow !

Can't remember if diggle talked this episode but that's ok after his fantastic episode last episode

I find oliver is making a lot of mistakes clouded by fear he feels at what slade has in store for him and he's not seeing the big picture and I fear he's going to be blindsided when slade makes his move , now was not the time to ask roy to break up with her , trust roy to be careful around her he loves her he'd make the effort to control himself now what is suppose to be his rock ? You failed roy and thea oliver queen tsk tsk

I like helena and I really didn't get why they were trying to stop her from killing her deadbeat criminal dad , ok I do but still we were suppose to feel bad for him ? And he still got a bullet pff big loss to starling city

I prefer laurel lawyering she's still annoying but less so than when she's an emotional mess so thanks for little graces
At the end I was like please slade save me from ...and he did lollllll he's so ominous and evil even when doing something as mundane as giving an acquaintance a lift

Kinda meh they fired the ass.DA he's cute plus I'm reading this fic where felicity is dating him after getting tired of oliver's whiplash/arm's length bs. He remind me of the guy playing the lead character bf on orphan black wonder if they're the same coz on that show we saw him in the buff ha ha ha

Canarrow

Who says the foundry is crowded and the 5 couldn't work together team arrow was awesome tonight lots of great one liners to Felicity was back to being her quirky self,Digg is always awesome,and i love the badass lines Sara/Canary got 'I am who kneed to be' and the way she said 'I was holding back' was delivered in such a badass way i loved it

Ron_Beckett

^- Yeah definately.

I even liked Sara's voice changer. It made her sound different but in a very attractive (if I was gay) kind of way

kostilicious

I liked this episode...

I'm still not okay with Laurel being okay with Ollie and Sara, but it's great to see her in normal scenes again.. I loved when she wanted to fight and I don't really care how she got her job back... I just don't like that she quoted Helena... on the other hand, I think you can't be a hero without having something dark inside you, because therte are always things you have to do, you would't do as a normal person...

All the other stuff was good, but not really worth mentioning
Oh yes... It was Slade who got Ollie tattooed.. I liked that