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Old 10-20-2015, 08:16 PM
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[4x03] Restoration: Episode Discussion

Restoration
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LAUREL TAKES HER SISTER TO NANDA PARBAT — The growing tension between Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Diggle (David Ramsey) puts both their lives at risk when they go after Damien Darhk (guest star Neal McDonough) and a H.I.V.E. deployed meta-human. Meanwhile, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) talks Thea (Willa Holland) into returning to Nanda Parbat to ask her father (John Barrowman) to put Sara (guest star Caity Lotz) into the Lazarus Pit. However, Laurel is surprised when Nyssa (guest star Katrina Law) refuses to do it.
Wendey Stanzler directed the episode written by Wendy Mericle & Speed Weed (#403). Original airdate 10/21/2015.

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I loved the episode again. Arrow as been on fire so far this season.

I actually enjoyed the Nanda Parbat stuff. I wasn't sure I would. Maybe I just forgot how much I love Nyssa. I can't wait for Malcom and her to come to head. Regardless I'm so glad she destroyed the pit so we can get over the whole death has no meaning crap thrown at Arrow. It does now.

I'm a little worried where they will take Thea with this whole blood lust thing now. A part of me thinks it would be awesome to see her as a villian for a bit. Then again a part of me doesn't want her to darken her soul more with Killing people. So I guess we will see where this all leads.

I liked the Felicity/Curtis stuff. I loved Curtis saying how awesome it was that his boss was trying help the people oh Starling as well. So how long till he finds out Oliver is the Arrow.

Glad to see Dig/Oliver getting back on the same page. I loved Felicty taking charge and boss them around. She wasn't kidding around. oh and Dig and Oliver looking surprised that Felcity fended of Double Down. Funny stuff.

Okay so the lair was under Palmer Tech which is cool. However apparently Oliver has been working on something new. So where will be located? Under Palmer tech actually made since and let Felcity bounce between the two. How will she do that at the new lair?

Oh and I'm assuming Ray is the one sending stuff to Felcity's phone.


Oh no so apparently Laurel new Malcom was the new RAS just not about the pit. Eh, Wel I guess Thea probaly told her.

I'll have to watch the episode again because my stuoid fiancé kept talking so it sure I missed stuff.

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Old 10-21-2015, 06:17 PM
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I loved this episode and can I say FINALLY! Sara is back! but how she returns back will be interesting. I love how long it might take for her to return back to normal... if ever.

Nyssa was against bringing Sara back so she was of course against bringing her back... and she blames anything that Sara will go through now on Laurel's head. I loved Nyssa in this episode, how she declared she will eventually kill Malcolm and this time there will be no coming back and Nyssa also destroyed Lazarus Pit... I guess that makes us even more worried if characters die now. At least she did it after Sara came up from the Lazarus Pit. lol

Curtis and Felicity newfound friendship is such a joy to watch. I love how Curtis love that Felicty is working with Arrow. He is just happy she is doing good things for the city and yes to him not asking any question about the secret identity. I especially loved the scene when Felicity told Curtis to call her by her first name instead of Ms.Smoak and then after he gave her the definition of her name, she said they need to go back to calling her Ms. Smoak.

ORIGINAL GANGSTERS!!! I love how many references of Felicity talking about how Felicity, Diggle and Oliver are the original three... because although I love that the group expanded, the original 3 is always where it is! and the chemistry between these three always shines bright. I loved how Felicity was matchmaker for Diggle and Oliver's relationship, and basically did what anyone should do... force them to talk their problems out in a room alone. lol AND it worked! it's nice to see the progress of their friendship from both sides.

I liked all the Thea scenes... and overall, just a great episode for me.
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Old 10-21-2015, 06:21 PM
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I'm already tired of The Ghosts, they just multiplying and are taken down at the beginning of every episode in some random location but we don't know why or what they are doing at these places. I am happy to finally get some smaller more detailed fight scenes in this episode. Oliver isn't used to dealing with metas which is nice.

Good ol'daddy Merlyn wanting his daughter to kill to quench her thirst. Lol I can't at Malcolm feeding Thea's thirst for blood. Is he just going to keep sending his men for her to slaughter? "Hey honey, here's your dinner!" lol. His whole reason to bring back Sara was lame though. "please daughter don't be mad at me for wanting you to kill people, here, you can bring your friend back! peace now?"

Felicity for the win for shutting Diggle/Oliver down. Though it is hard to expect everyone to rally at the ring of a phone. And it didn't take long for Diggle to reveal his secret so him divulging it to Laurel isn't much of a big deal now.

The hideout was way to easy to find.

They are doing a good job on the Oliver/Diggle front and Thea's storyline, but REALLY half-assing it on the Laurel/Sara front. They aren't putting nearly as much thought into it as they should be doing. Instead of allowing us into Laurels head and see her go through the motions of whether or not to bring back Sara, they just give us like 2 scenes. Can't believe (well I can) that they just threw away all the development they gave to Laurel last year, not to mention all the development they gave to Laurel/Nyssa.

It was ridiculous how 99% of Laurels storyline was shown in promos/previews.
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Good ol'daddy Merlyn wanting his daughter to kill to quench her thirst. Lol I can't at Malcolm feeding Thea's thirst for blood. Is he just going to keep sending his men for her to slaughter? "Hey honey, here's your dinner!" lol.
Okay this was great. I can't stop laughing.


As for the half assed Sara/Laurel reasoning which is true even more so with Nyssa's objections... Well I couldn't help but wonder while she does want her sister back that maybe she was doing it more for her father than her ? Anyone else feel that way?
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Can someone please kill Laurel?! Please! Nyssa's words better mean LL is in the grave in 6 months.

KC is hands down the 2nd worst actor on this show right now. Worst is the Flash back LI...man why did they hire her again?

Speaking of KC/LL once again she's just a blank ****ing face...emote damnit! Oh and "acting" does not constitute deep breath, look down, look up say line.. FFS!

Thea/Willa was excellent in this episode. I knew MM was totally Bull****ting about the Sage. JB is still way too campy as MM I just can't take him seriously at all.

Every OTA was perfect. I think this episode effectively puts the whole no Felicity wasn't part of Original Team Arrow and no one but Olicity fans call it OTA bull**** to rest. The show has now totally confirmed OTA and forever it shall remain.

Lived all of the dig/Oliver bromance, so glad they mended their friendship. Loved Oliver's line about Dig not being so different from him.

Everything Felicity did tonight was Gold. Yelling at the boys to get their heads out of their asses, was great. Her scenes with Curtis were adorable. The scenes with Double Down, kneeling him and firing the gun were awesome.

I also loved her lines, the don't look so surprised to Oliver (about fending off the Meta) and the one about Diggle being more evolved than Oliver...Sorry but it's true.

Also loved the little hint of Ray in the phone.

And now for my poor Sara. What fresh hell has your sister done to you? Going to have bloodlust and want to Kill Thea? Yeah that's going to turn out well. Not enough CL in this episode but she nailed the evil glare.

Oh loved that Nyssa didn't die and so glad she got her revenge by poisoning the pit.
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Sara's body was so gross-I never got used to seeing it. If Quentin is going to try and put Sara down,what was the point of bringing her back?

I have no idea what Legends plans to do with her,but I don't see how much use she'll be if she's crazy.

Laurel really made me mad and I'm so glad Nyssa messed up the pit. I mean,who brings back someone who's been dead for almost a year? Wtf?

As far as Malcolm goes...I'm just not even. Nothing about him surprises me anymore.
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No need for Katie Cassidy bashing because that is actor bashing and to defend Laurel, she just really wanted her sister back even if it wasn't the right way to go about things if anything was wrong it was the writers not showing the viewers Laurel's emotions through the episode.

We should've seen how tough this decision was on Laurel, did she care about the effects? was their a struggle? the writers need to do a better job at showing the lead lady emotions.

Season 3 was Laurel's strongest season because of that, we got to see her pain and how she felt, and why she wanted to fight in honor of her sister.
Why didn't we get much of anything as to why she wants to bring Sara back? especially if she sees the way Thea is.


I don't see Sara lasting like this forever, I just think the effects is lasting longer on her because she was dead a whole lot longer than Thea was when she rise from the Lazarus Pit.
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Oh how lovely. Here comes the Katie Cassidy bashing
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Love Felicity and Curtis! Felicity was awesome tonight. First with getting DigO to hash things out and then fending off double down. Omg, I died at her calling OTA the original gangsters

DigO are finally back! I've been missing my bromance and these two are just so good together.

I swear, Damien just gets scarier every episode. I love it.

So, Nanda Parbat was a full on mess. Malcolm is the worst dad ever. Seriously, he has zero respect for Thea's feelings. Laurel...I'm not feeling her story. H e r POV was seriously lacking. Even Thea knew it was a bad idea and didn't want to do it. I also personally feel she brought The a along as her ace. Sara's body over the pit, ugh. She just wants to kill everybody. Send help
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Oh how lovely. Here comes the Katie Cassidy bashing

Why is what Laurel doing so bad?! I don't see Oliver getting hate for running for mayor over helping his sister who is very much in need of it. At least Laurel is helping her sister turn it around
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1000% agree.

In this case I don't get what people are complaining about because if it was any other character who did what she did, they would not get as much hate.

Let's say Felicity died and a year later Oliver brought her back? people would not care, they would find it romantic.
The only difference is that this isn't a romance love, it's a sibling love and Oliver would do the exact same thing for Thea even if he knew the consequences, and no one would be wishing him dead.

So for everybody who is hating what Laurel did, they should not enjoy Sara's storyline [if it's good].


If anything as I mentioned before, the issue is the writers not giving Laurel more scenes for the viewers can see her struggle and pain but to wish she died and bashing the actress Katie over bringing her sister back to life? really? are we going to do this tonight.



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Love Felicity and Curtis! Felicity was awesome tonight. First with getting DigO to hash things out and then fending off double down. Omg, I died at her calling OTA the original gangsters

DigO are finally back! I've been missing my bromance and these two are just so good together.

I swear, Damien just gets scarier every episode. I love it.

So, Nanda Parbat was a full on mess. Malcolm is the worst dad ever. Seriously, he has zero respect for Thea's feelings. Laurel...I'm not feeling her story. H e r POV was seriously lacking. Even Thea knew it was a bad idea and didn't want to do it. I also personally feel she brought The a along as her ace. Sara's body over the pit, ugh. She just wants to kill everybody. Send help

I agree. Original gangsters was just awesome.

About time! I really felt the bromance tonight as well.

Damien is probably my best villain ever on the show and it's only been three episodes.

Agree with that... yeah Malcolm is the mess and I dislike the writers not giving her a point of view... like I did not understand the writing for her during this episode. I think Thea's guilt over killing Sara [even if she didn't do it intentionally] made her go along with it. It's all just Malcolm's fault.
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1000% agree.

In this case I don't get what people are complaining about because if it was any other character who did what she did, they would not get as much hate.

Let's say Felicity died and a year later Oliver brought her back? people would not care, they would find it romantic.
The only difference is that this isn't a romance love, it's a sibling love and Oliver would do the exact same thing for Thea even if he knew the consequences, and no one would be wishing him dead.

So for everybody who is hating what Laurel did, they should not enjoy Sara's storyline [if it's good].


If anything as I mentioned before, the issue is the writers not giving Laurel more scenes for the viewers can see her struggle and pain but to wish she died and bashing the actress Katie over bringing her sister back to life? really? are we going to do this tonight.
It's just ridiculous.. people want to hate on Laurel and subsequently bash Katie because of it.. go for it. I just can't get past the hypocrisy. You are completely right.. if it was Felicity, and Oliver brought her back, everybody would be swooning. I understand that the writers aren't doing Laurel justice.. but I feel like her character is always going to be the sacrificial lamb.. if the writers had actually delved more into Laurel and her decisions for doing this, it would be more sympathetic.. but surely people can see why she did it.. it shouldn't be difficult to understand why Laurel would bring Sara back?? You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but it's 100% understandable. I just don't understand the extreme hate she is getting for it
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If Felicity died at this point and Oliver brought her back after seeing what Thea's going through, I'd feel the same. I personally, don't think Oliver would because of what it's done to The a. One has nothing to do with the other though. Not everyone is a Laurel hater. Whatever happens with Sara doesn't change the fact that the writers needed to do more for Laurel tonight. Important stuff was going on around her tonight and legit points were being made, and all the writers could come up with was "I have to try". Why writers? If I had to see Sara's creepy corpse, you could have come up with something better than that.

And I do realize that bashing KC is uncalled for, but I always ignore that kind of stuff because it's not worth the hassle and most everyone is discussing the show peacefully and can separate realfrom fiction. One post does negate the sensible opinions about the episode that are being shared.
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^ You are absolutely right. The writers continue to disservice the character of Laurel.. I am in complete agreement with that, but I still fail to see how Laurel's decision means she should die.. and while yes, there was only one post in here saying that.. I think I am allowed to be frustrated by that. I am not negating anyone's sensible opinions about this episode.. I agree with a lot that is being said. Unfortunately the Laurel hate is strong after this episode and it bled into here and I was just expressing my frustration at it
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Why does any conversation about Laurel require Felicity/Olicity being brought into it and vice versa? How does Oliver running for Mayor preclude him or become some kind of sign that he doesn't care about what his sister is going through? (Especially when recent spoilers indicate that Thea is supportive of his decision to run for Mayor) Laurel's actions are Laurel's actions, if it was Oliver bringing Felicity back after a year of being buried in the ground they would be Oliver's actions alone with nothing to do with Laurel.

Now if we want to compare Oliver's decision to bring Thea back to Laurel bringing Sara back then there is more ground because they are actual comparable situations. But I think for a lot of people this comes down to perspective and informed decisions- what perspective and information did Oliver have going in to make his decision, what perspective and information did Laurel have going in to making her decision?

Both their reasons are understandable they love their sister, they want them back as hey felt they didn't deserve to die. I think some people are just offended that Laurel chose to raise Sara after her family and loved ones had spent a year dealing with and moving on from their grief, where as Oliver's was a more spur of the moment action when Thea as near dead or brain dead not literally dead like Sara. Also though Oliver was warned that Thea might not be the same if she was raised from the LP Oliver had not seen the evidence of that- in fact he had seen that Ras had survived hundreds of years on the LP and seemed relatively normal. He hadn't seen the effect of the LP first hand. Laurel had via Thea.

Though I would argue that Laurel's perspective gave her the impression that whatever Thea was going through it was manageable and therefore she felt that if she is there for her sister she would be able to manage whatever side effects Sara had, but she didn't realise that Sara was going to go through a lot more because the side effects are a lot worst because Sara has been dead a lot longer.

She made a bad call, maybe even a selfish one. She is not the first character on the show and she wont be the last but like all the other characters on the show who have made bad decisions or selfish decisions she will have to pay the consequences, pay her dues and grow from them.

Anyway Im watching the episode now and very excited to see how everything plays out. Thoughts on the episode to come later
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