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Old 03-16-2014, 08:59 PM
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here's a question

Okay, let's forget for the moment our own personal fangirling and wishful thinking....is it realistic for Sherlock and Molly, AS THEY' RE PRESENTED to possible get together? I'm not thinking an actual relationship is possible, but friends with benefits? One night stand? Possible?

He's made a couple comments about her appearance that sounded negative(thin lips, flat chest) so I wonder if he'd even be attracted to her at all ...after all ...Janice (Janet?, sorry awful with names) was a fairly curvy gal.

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Old 03-17-2014, 07:15 AM
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Okay, let's forget for the moment our own personal fangirling and wishful thinking....is it realistic for Sherlock and Molly, AS THEY' RE PRESENTED to possible get together? I'm not thinking an actual relationship is possible, but friends with benefits? One night stand? Possible?

He's made a couple comments about her appearance that sounded negative(thin lips, flat chest) so I wonder if he'd even be attracted to her at all ...after all ...Janice (Janet?, sorry awful with names) was a fairly curvy gal.

Thoughts?
Yeah, I don't think an actual, dating relationship will ever happen with Sherlock/anyone. And I don't think they would "hook up" either. I don't think Sherlock could handle that unless it was purely business/research! Brings a whole new understanding to the "for science and research" tumblr stuff...

I'm not sure that Sherlock ever thinks in a strictly sexual sense of "she's hot, I think she's attractive." While he may have acknowledged that Janine and Irene were attractive(in the sense that, society would think they are beautiful), I'm not sure he was actually "attracted" to them. He was attracted to other qualities of Irene(her smarts; I think for a guy like him, who doesn't give much thought to sexuality, her ultra-sensuousness was fascinating and flattering to him) and I'm not sure if he felt anything at all for Janine other than a benign fondness. Irene excited his senses because she had her own strangeness that, while very different from his own, was able to connect to his strangeness.

So with Molly, while he may notice that she isn't societies idea of model-beautiful(though I DO think the actress is beautiful!), I think he has/could certainly become attracted to her because of her brains, her trustworthiness, her willingness to criticise him, and her devotion to him. In that scene in 3x01 where he gently kisses her cheek and congratulates her, to me there is very sincere love on a friendship level, but also a hint of regret in the sense that she doesn't "belong" to him anymore. Maybe I was reading too much into it. But I didn't think his reaction was purely happy. There was a hint of bittersweet in there, IMO.

So that is a very long-winded answer, but the short answer to me is: I think Sherlock finds Molly attractive in a way that is much more dear to him than physical attributes. Remember he didn't "date" Janine because he was attracted to her(though I think he probably found her, at least at time, pleasant enough to be around).

EDIT - Anyone have some super-fantastic Sherlock/Molly fanfic recs? I'm looking for stuff with very good characterizations, written in a believable way.
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I don't imagine Sherlock is the marrying or even long-term relationship type; and I'll be surprised if his affection for Molly would ever become romantic/sexual. As has been said, he loves her the way he loves John.

In fact, I feel he loves Molly too much to ever let her adoration of him come to anything physical between them. He knows she is far too vulnerable where he is concerned.

That said, Irene answers his need for excitement, mystery, challenge, fascination .. and I think a short, very intense and rather desperate affair would be satisfying for both. It would be as much cerebral as physical (or more so).
And the end will only have been as painful as they want it to be.
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:12 PM
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then there's the porn thing

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Yeah, I don't think an actual, dating relationship will ever happen with Sherlock/anyone. And I don't think they would "hook up" either. I don't think Sherlock could handle that unless it was purely business/research! Brings a whole new understanding to the "for science and research" tumblr stuff...

I'm not sure that Sherlock ever thinks in a strictly sexual sense of "she's hot, I think she's attractive." While he may have acknowledged that Janine and Irene were attractive(in the sense that, society would think they are beautiful), I'm not sure he was actually "attracted" to them. He was attracted to other qualities of Irene(her smarts; I think for a guy like him, who doesn't give much thought to sexuality, her ultra-sensuousness was fascinating and flattering to him) and I'm not sure if he felt anything at all for Janine other than a benign fondness. Irene excited his senses because she had her own strangeness that, while very different from his own, was able to connect to his strangeness.

So with Molly, while he may notice that she isn't societies idea of model-beautiful(though I DO think the actress is beautiful!), I think he has/could certainly become attracted to her because of her brains, her trustworthiness, her willingness to criticise him, and her devotion to him. In that scene in 3x01 where he gently kisses her cheek and congratulates her, to me there is very sincere love on a friendship level, but also a hint of regret in the sense that she doesn't "belong" to him anymore. Maybe I was reading too much into it. But I didn't think his reaction was purely happy. There was a hint of bittersweet in there, IMO.

So that is a very long-winded answer, but the short answer to me is: I think Sherlock finds Molly attractive in a way that is much more dear to him than physical attributes. Remember he didn't "date" Janine because he was attracted to her(though I think he probably found her, at least at time, pleasant enough to be around).

EDIT - Anyone have some super-fantastic Sherlock/Molly fanfic recs? I'm looking for stuff with very good characterizations, written in a believable way.

I understand your point, except for one thing....he has normal urges , he just doesn't express them or allow them to be expressed due to his single minded view that he must be totally focused on his work at all times to be any good at it.

I paused Ole Maggy's little "Terminator" pov's towards each of the characters and Sherlock's specifically stated that his porn preference was "normal" , which I took to mean that it didn't stray into areas that would open him up to blackmail. John's said the same thing and they share computers , so it sounds like they'd been hacked at some point and their search history perused. Sherlock wouldn't be viewing that type of material if it wasn't fulfilling a function ie: physical relief since he doesn't allow himself a physical relationship with anyone. If he had a low libido , he would have no need for this.

Anyway, I guess I was wondering if Janine had been say...very ugly , unattractive, would he have done it anyway? And how did she manage to date Sherlock without Maggy knowing ? I can't imagine he would just trust his employees especially one so close to him. That was one rather large hole in the plotline for me.
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Anyway, I guess I was wondering if Janine had been say...very ugly , unattractive, would he have done it anyway? And how did she manage to date Sherlock without Maggy knowing ? I can't imagine he would just trust his employees especially one so close to him. That was one rather large hole in the plotline for me.
I think he would have done it regardless of whether she was pretty or not...anything for the job! But I guess part of the point I was trying to make is that 1) Molly IS pretty, she just isn't "model pretty". The way she dresses, lack of makeup, the way she does her hair, all make her look plainer than she is. And 2)While Sherlock is obviously aware of looks, if he ever had a romantic relationship with someone, looks wouldn't be the primary driving force. Molly has as good a chance as any beauty, and even more in my opinion, because she is one of a very small handful of people(basically just John, her, maaaybe Mycroft) that he trusts and loves like that. While his head may be turned by Irene, I'm not sure he'd ever pursue anything with her because she is unpredictable and untrustworthy.

I didn't mean to insinuate Sherlock if asexual or anything like that. But it would take something much more special than looks to make him think the risk of interfering with his work was worth it.
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That's not a bad thing, Sherlock not going primarily for looks.
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I agree. It is one of many interesting elements of his character.
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I said FOCUS!, “Molly is just this rock for Sherlock, even though...
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it's Molly he needed at that important moment!
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I think he would have done it regardless of whether she was pretty or not...anything for the job! But I guess part of the point I was trying to make is that 1) Molly IS pretty, she just isn't "model pretty". The way she dresses, lack of makeup, the way she does her hair, all make her look plainer than she is. And 2)While Sherlock is obviously aware of looks, if he ever had a romantic relationship with someone, looks wouldn't be the primary driving force. Molly has as good a chance as any beauty, and even more in my opinion, because she is one of a very small handful of people(basically just John, her, maaaybe Mycroft) that he trusts and loves like that. While his head may be turned by Irene, I'm not sure he'd ever pursue anything with her because she is unpredictable and untrustworthy.

I didn't mean to insinuate Sherlock if asexual or anything like that. But it would take something much more special than looks to make him think the risk of interfering with his work was worth it.
I love this post and totally agree with you

I guess I'm still one of the few non realistic person in here that still thinks Sherlock/Molly could work as a couple I think the fact that they're both socially awkward is what would make it work actually... It's weird, I know.

I don't think Sherlock loves Molly the same way he loves John. And I definitely think the cheek kiss was a bittersweet moment because that's when he realized he was letting her go
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I don't think Sherlock loves Molly the same way he loves John. And I definitely think the cheek kiss was a bittersweet moment because that's when he realized he was letting her go
I know! His smile of understanding in that scene, while sincere, had a definite note of bittersweet/regret in it. Ugh, I love these two!

I think they can work, too. IF Sherlock ever "winds up" with anyone, which I know he likely won't(and I'm OK with that), I think Molly would be a VERY likely candidate. It is becoming more of a possibility as Sherlock discovers his humanity.
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