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Old 09-17-2017, 04:30 PM
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nice to see some insight and meaning from DA about WTH we watched.
I'm sure he doesn't even know.

Seems the budget was not $$13. But $30 million, plus another $30 million. For a total of $60 million and made $7.5 million opening weekend.

And of course. All the Jen haters are out and gloating about the movies failure box office and Cinemascore wise.

But glad she liked the movie. She said he wouldn't do another movie like this again though.
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I hate that people are gloating about the box office and going after Jen. Sadly it comes with the territory when you're one of the most sought after actresses. Wish it went differently but it didn't.

She really was fabulous in her role. And she got to work with a director that she's admired his work for so long. Regardless of their personal relationship now, that had to be a major thing for Jen professionally.

Can she please work with Speilberg next?! I want It's What I Do to happen.

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people really suck lately, especially the crowd that wasted their votes on the orange-faced hater-in-chief ugh. and oh yeah, the millions of internet trolls that just want to watch the world burn. get a life, you no-talent jealous keyboard clowns.

i saw mother! last night, and have quite a mix of emotions and some questions, but i very much see the symbolism of Mother Nature and the irrevocable harm we are forcing upon her, with this unchecked use of finite resources and not maintaining the balance of nature and life. there were so many dark and surreal imagery and themes, i really need to see it again in order to collect my thoughts. tbh, it wasn't horror to me, but much more a cautionary tale of where we're headed. whoever tried to sell this as traditional horror, really dropped the ball in promoting the horror genre, really it was more psychological in nature, if anything.

once i see it again, and answer my questions, and see several things i missed because it was dark, i will leave a review under spoiler tags.

i did love the acting and closeups of Jen, and think she did quite an award-worthy performance as Grace, and hope this film makes the people who saw it, think about what we are doing to this planet. everything is connected, no matter it's size or significance to the chain and balance of life. life is fragile, whether it is a human body or an ecosystem. think about that, trump, who believes in neither climate change nor pollution/climate agreements. smh.

i think i will try to see it again, next weekend, after i have time to finish processing what i just saw...
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tbh, it wasn't horror to me, but much more a cautionary tale of where we're headed. whoever tried to sell this as traditional horror, really dropped the ball in promoting the horror genre, really it was more psychological in nature, if anything.
just the last 10-15 minutes would qualify.
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I'm undecided, but I think it would be good to see it again, once you know what's going on and what to look for. This really helps with that - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/m...ing-explained/
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boxofficemojo has mother! at $7.5million domestic, and $6million overseas, with it playing in 6 countries, none of which are the three countries the premiere was shown in, England, France, and Italy. mother! may be playing in all three countries, just aren't shown on the chart yet, i don't know. so, mother! made $13.5million worldwide opening weekend, not too shabby for a film that no one knows what to make of, according to social media and the mass media news.
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does a director have any control over how his film is promoted and marketed? i was wondering this, because there is no way that DA would have allowed a multiple-themed arthouse film to be marketed as a 'horror film', or any of the variations of the horror genre.
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mother!: How Aronofsky Mastered Jennifer Lawrence’s Subjective Camera | IndieWire

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In the last two weeks of the three month rehearsals, Aronofsky and Libatique would shoot a practice version of the entire movie with the cast, without costumes or a set, in a warehouse filled with tape marks. Editor Andrew Weisblum then quickly assembled the footage into a 110-minute cut that was screened for the crew.
Any chance we get that on the Bluray? At least some of it.
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just the last 10-15 minutes would qualify.
That it would more than do so.

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mother! did not improve its lot over the weekend, as its $3 million opening day has led to a $7.5m opening weekend. For a $30m release with terrible word-of-mouth, that’s a pretty awful debut. That’s especially true as the film was Paramount/Viacom Inc.’s first of three would-be year-end prestige pictures, and mother! is thus-far getting better reviews on the festival circuit than George Clooney’s Suburbicon and Alexander Payne’s Downsizing. Although, reviews notwithstanding, I imagine those two will earn better Cinemascore grades, as mother! became among the few/the proud to snag an F from said audience polling service.

Now, to be fair, you can make the case that Paramount released the decidedly divisive horror drama to be in the Darren Aronofsky business (Noah and Black Swan both made over $300m worldwide) and to also be in the Jennifer Lawrence business. Point being, absent Paramount’s larger issues, how much grief should we give the studio and the filmmakers for making/releasing a movie like mother! at a theater near you? Love it or hate it, and I’m in the “love it” camp, mother! is exactly the kind of bold, challenging, and unconventional genre fare we claim we want from Hollywood.

It’s hard not to roll one’s eyes when you see countless folks complaining that Hollywood only releases sequels, comic book movies, cartoons and remakes and then watch those same folks utterly ignore mother! and/or decry the film’s very existence. Yes, Paramount sold the movie as something it’s not, but what exactly were they supposed to do? Marketing is about getting butts into the seat on opening weekend, period. Sure, there was deception involved, although in this interconnected age I can’t imagine how anyone could walk into a movie completely unaware of the general content.

But if a studio needs to sell mother! like a haunted house movie, or if they need to give Brad Pitt and Michael Fassbender their own overseas 12 Years A Slave poster, then that’s what happens. Everyone complained about that one back in late 2013, but the Oscar-winning Fox Searchlight release earned $131 million overseas, compared to $59m in North America. So obviously, the gambit worked. Paramount knew a platform release would be impossible due to word of mouth, so they did everything they could to inflate the opening weekend. It didn’t work, but there was no option B.

And, to be fair, if mother! fled from October to September partially to get out of the way of Happy Death Day, Jigsaw and the second season of Stranger Things, then it also read headfirst into It, which is the kind of mega-smash that actively hurts the competition. Moreover, we can wonder to what extent the deluge of press which in-fact honestly discussed the film’s unique content and/or hinted at the onscreen madness did its job in letting folks know that it wasn’t their cup of tea. But the piss-poor audience polling implies that quite a few folks need to pay better attention to pre-release media.


A completely fabricated story about Jennifer Lawrence arguing that the recent hurricanes were God’s punishment for us electing Donald Trump probably didn’t help, but that’s the kind of thing a studio can’t control in this clickbait age. Speaking of Lawrence, this is her worst wide release opening since she became a movie star after 2010’s Winter’s Bone. That it’s taken her seven years to have a mainstream bomb is impressive, although she spent much of that time in the protective cloak of The Hunger Games, X-Men, and David O. Russell ensemble dramas. Maybe the coming storm is why she signed on to X-Men: Dark Phoenix as a golden parachute.

As much as folks would like to argue that the film’s failure is some kind of sign Lawrence is no longer a movie star, a movie like mother! is exactly the kind of thing on which you want big movie stars to spend their capital. Moreover, we should note that the film’s poor reception will not matter one bit to Javier Bardem, any more than Legend, The Drop and Child 44 winged Thomas Hardy’s would-be star power or the financial failures of Steve Jobs, The Light Between the Oceans and Song to Song did any damage to Michael Fassbender’s ability to get major lead roles.

We may be entering Lawrence’s “In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate you.” phase that greets almost every female Hollywood star. It was inevitable from the moment she became the current “It Girl” in late 2012 that eventually the backlash would ferment and folks would turn on her. This is the kind of crap that male movie stars like Daniel Craig, Ryan Gosling, Matthew McConaughey or Channing Tatum don’t have to worry about no matter how many flops they anchor. They aren’t classified in a “flavor of the month” fashion and there will always be a large supply of leading/supporting roles in the white male-dominated industry.

I wish mother! had been embraced by the masses, but I am not surprised it wasn’t. The future cult classic has the honor of being the best movie ever to snag an “F” Cinemascore grade, all due respect to Killing Them Softly and Bug. If Julia Roberts can survive Mary Reilly (another intimate horror drama where the lead actress’s superb turn dominates nearly every frame of the film), then Lawrence can weather mother! IfA you’d rather Lawrence makes movies like Red Sparrow, then you damn well better see Red Sparrow in theaters next year. But mother! is the kind of bold artistic gambit that our biggest movie stars should making. Otherwise, what’s the point of being a movie star?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme.../#2347bec021c8

Huh-uh.

Been saying that for a while now.

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We live in an era of at-a-glance numerical assessment. Metacritic, CinemaScores, Rotten Tomatoes, box office opening weekend tallies are the metrics we check before buying a movie ticket. Too many consumers of film have become dependent on those numbers and wrongly assume that hitting the right score somehow equals greatness. For those who go to the movies for a comfortable fantasy that everything in life will work out fine, that the scrappy underdog will always prevail, and the bad guys always get caught, those favorable numbers are reassuring. They’re not interested in paying 12 bucks to be reminded of global warming or racism or violence against women. We each of us pick and prod our dioramas according to the movies and messages we seek, hoping to turn those stories into our ideal image of what best represents us — all of us — too often a purist ideal of what our society should be, but isn’t. But this strict adherence to conventional rules of culture or comforting narratives has resulted in an annual replay in Hollywood of sticking to what’s always worked before. Pre-awareness, branding, sequels, remakes. Movies play it safe again and again. Sometimes these sure bets make a ****-ton of money and are deemed a success. Sometimes they falter and don’t hit their mark. This summer, for instance, has the industry in a panic that their formula has failed. Maybe we need to reassess the risk of spent $150 million on a formula that used to work but now falters so often. Maybe it’s time to rethink the cynical attitudes of what audiences will buy into, and work harder to find new ways to risk those millions.

Darren Aronofsky has made a film that required taking another sort of risk. He has earned that luxury, having proven his ability to make provocative films with modest budgets that can triple or quadruple their studio investment. Then came Black Swan, a high-Gothic psycho-thriller made for just $13 million and returning $329 million, which joined his finest films in making a mark on the cultural landscape. There are a lot of things you can say about Aronofsky’s latest high-risk endeavor mother! but not making its mark isn’t one of them. Of all of the films released so far this year this one probably has people talking in ways that movies used to inspire us to talk but really don’t anymore. Why? Because movies have become so expensive to make, they need to play it safe. So many critics on Rotten Tomatoes seem to judge movies like they might judge a new house: is it well built? Is it “even” or level or smooth? Does it include all the familiar necessities we expect? The more intellectual critics will allow for experimentation beyond that — after all, if a movie works, it works. I remember being a kid and people talking about films like The Exorcist that had people throwing up in aisles or running out of the theater. It’s been a long while since a movie made by a major Hollywood studio did that to audiences. It’s damned exciting to see it again.

mother! took me places where studios once dared to go but rarely do anymore. Watching and absorbing this astonishing parable unfold, I had no idea what might to happen from moment to moment but I couldn’t take my eyes off of it. By the time events onscreen started to spiral beyond all sense or reason, I had no idea where I was even, or what the film was trying to tell me. But as it passed from the realm of what-the-hell-is-happening to my-god-this-cannot-be-happening, it became clear that Aronofsky was doing what he does so well, walking us through a horrifying dreamscape. To say mother! unfolds like a living nightmare on film is one way to see it, and perhaps another way is to realize humanity’s reign on our planet has been a living nightmare on Earth — with all the attendant beauty and devastation that has entailed.

Even though he took us so far out there that we lose our bearings, Aronofsky miraculously holds it all together, partly by inserting overt signposts to guide us through it. In those symbols some see religion. Others saw a clash between the natural world and man’s effort to control it. Still others saw a dark rendition of an artist’s process, if not Aronfosky own life, perhaps the life of all artists, of any creator — or Creator. In the end, one of the most resonant messages I took from mother! is that women devotedly create life and men carelessly destroy it. After all, throughout the history of mankind, because men have held power to make civilization’s ominous decisions, most of the humans who have abused the environment, subjected animals to cruelty, and subjugated women have been men. (Yes, there are women who have been complicit in this and mother! shows us disturbing examples of those women too.) On the whole though, we know that most gun violence is committed by men; and wars are started by and fought by men. As for religion’s role in all this, whether God created Man in his image, or if the reverse is true — you can find arguments for each stance in mother!

Mainly, I think the point needs be emphasized that art like this just doesn’t get made anymore on the scale that only filmmakers can do. So no matter our interpretations, no matter our judgments, we should celebrate its creation. We should feel lucky to have visionary directors like Aronofsky, and feel grateful to Paramount for standing behind his bold vision. We should be proud of Jennifer Lawrence for taking such a chance on a project so risky, all the more because she risked alienating her expectant fans by upending their expectations.

I loved mother! myself. I know I will go back to watch it again and again. I loved Jennifer Lawrence in it. I loved the house. I loved Michelle Pfeiffer. I loved the sound design, of all things. To me it was a rich cinematic experience, a moving painting, unlike anything I have ever experienced before. How could anyone complain about that? Well, some have complained. The film has been hit with the rare “F” from the 400 or so indivduals surveyed by CinemaScore, and it earned less in its opening weekend that was hoped. (Having Breitbart lie as to stir controversy as it always does, and falsely claim that Jennifer Lawrence said this year’s hurricanes are Mother Nature’s wrath on Trump surely didn’t help ticket sales). But true movie lovers should feel confident that Aronofsky has given us something that people will be talking about for decades to come. I can promise you that. Movies like this don’t come around very often, not like they used to way back when.

Art has the power to compel us to witness spectacles both beautiful and ugly. It has to power to make us think, inspire dreams, and give us nightmares. It has the power to challenge our perception of reality. So here’s to Darren Aronofsky and his wildly, brazen, primal creativity. And here’s to Paramount for saying **** it, let’s do this. And cheers to Jennifer Lawrence for helping to get it made on the clout of her profitable reputation. Let’s never forget that moviemaking should be so much more than a highly refined profit machine. Let’s forever be thankful that cinema can produce art like this.
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which is more than evident.
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As for the rest of them, give them a month and they'll be back to complaining about how everything is part of a cinematic universe, a sequel, or a remake.
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Darren posted a behind the scenes clip for one of the end scenes of the movie.

Here's a link to it...
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which is more than evident. As for the rest of them, give them a month and they'll be back to complaining about how everything is part of a cinematic universe, a sequel, or a remake.
That's funny cause it is true I doubt it will even take a month to do so. Always preaching one and doing another

I saw this again today. So that's 3 times in 5 days. Even if I had to look away during the one scene and close my eyes till it was done.

I am her guy after all and I need to support my girl. Uncle grandpa doesn't count.


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Hugh Jackman Tweeted Today on the masterpiece of mother!
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I saw that a day or do ago.

On another note. DA has released another poster for mother! and yeah. The poster isa bit spoilerish. So I'll put it in a spoiler.

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I don't know how I feel about this poster. I feel it glorifies violence and a come see it cause a woman gets beat up. Sending all the wrong messages to see a movie. Same thing happen with X-Men: Apocalypse and they had the big banner of her being chocked by Apocalypse. I mean why would you make that a big selling point and plaster it on a big billboard for?

Just like them saying look how ugly those reviews are. Almost as beat up as her face. Might be taking it a bit far.

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