TPF1138

She certainly gives it a shot in the arm.

sunworshipper

Here's a fun question to consider: Will Joy pass a reverse Bechtel Test?

1. Are there two or more named male characters?
2. Do two of these men talk to each other?
3. Do they talk about something other than a woman?

1. Yes. Joy's father, husband, and son have names. As does Bradley Cooper's HSN guy and maybe her extortionist and her business rival.
2. Unknown. None of the trailers presented anything but female-female or female-male interactions.
3. Even if two men talk, they are most likely talking about Joy. I could see maybe Cooper talking to another HSN underling about sales but will that sale talk involve Joy and does such an underling even have a name?

Conclusion: It won't pass or just barely.

J-LawForever

I know a lot of people said it was boring this year without it.

Like her character says in AH.

TPF1138

This has always been an interesting one for me, because if the movie's called Spider-Man for instance, guess who everyone's going to be talking about. That's just the way stories wortk, if they want to hold their focus.

If two characters do happen to be in a conversation that isn't about the lead character, then it should be about, or have impact on, the plot.

Obviously ensemble's work differently, and in those cases the women should not simply be defined by the men in their lives, but what this really calls attention to for me, is how rarely it is that a movie is actually about a woman. I'd be in agreement with you, Joy won't pass a reverse Bechdel test. If there's a single scene in that movie that isn't about her, then it probably doesn't belong in the movie.

sara12

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TPF1138

Jen can't steal the scenes anymore, because now she's the focus. Ha Ha!

J-LawForever

it would seem so. Or at least in this film anyway.

sara12

according to HFPA member (ana maria bahiana), they change Joy Screening DATE :

J-LawForever

Thanks for the update, Sara.

TPF1138

Oh noes!!!!



Hopefully this is a minor sceduling issue.

J-LawForever

All is lost!

It suxs!

sunworshipper

This is the end.

sara12

Maybe I am wrong but maybe they want to focus on the SAG
the deadline to screen the Movie For HFPA members Will be On December 2

Another thing when we hear About Fox May Move Joy to 2016, I don't believe it
becouse between all their upcoming Movies Joy's trailer the only one they Keep Showing on the theatres, Every Weeks Since September

Sept 25 : With The Intern And The Walk
Oct. 2 : With Freeheld, The Walk And The Martian
Oct. 9 : With Steve Jobs And The Walk
Oct.16 : With Freeheld And Steve Jobs
Oct.23 : With Burnt, Rock the Kasbah And Steve Jobs
Oct.30 : With Burnt And Our Brand is Crisis
Nov. 6 : With Spotlight

J-LawForever

One could hope.

TPF1138

Plus Fox have now denied that repeatedly. This rumour was I think wishful thinking from DOR detractors and nothing more. The fact that they've shifted a screening doesn't mean a lot to me. We'd do well not to over focus on it.

Perhaps you're right, and it's a move to focus instead on SAG, or perhaps it's just a meaningless rescheduling. Eitherway, what really matters is that they get the screeners out on time. They'll have to hold events and screenings to get the buzz up and schmooze the various guilds and awards organisations, but of primary importance is that they get the movie watched. That means screeners, and they need to be going out soon. Like this week...