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Old 08-22-2016, 09:55 PM
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Awe I feel like I am going to get emotional
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:47 AM
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Awe I feel like I am going to get emotional
I wonder if I will get emotional.

Lately, this show has had a tendency to make me feel numb. The story has hurt me, since the moment Bay took the fall for Daphne. I felt like I was the one Bay abandoned, instead of Emmett. It sucked. And Bay's trip to the beach to "make it work" was too little, too late for me, too.

I don't know how I will feel going into these last 10 episodes.

When I first saw the news of Switched at Birth's cancellation on Lizzy Weiss's Twitter feed, it was like a punch to the gut. Ironically, it happened within seconds of me tweeting to her that she had ruined Bay and Emmett. (A couple of hours earlier, Lizzy Weiss had posted a picture of Bay and Emmett with the caption "all the feels," and I had felt compelled to let her know how numb I was to all of those "feels," as soon as I had seen the picture. Then, two seconds later she tweeted that the show had been cancelled, and it was definitely like a sucker punch to the gut.)

I wasn't really numb. I had just been deeply hurt. I was losing hope and feeling a need to not be so vulnerable, when I made my tweet.

Besides, isn't that the word Bay uses to confront Emmett, "You 'ruined' us" and wasn't their reunion episode called Love Among the Ruins?

I used to think that the ruins were everything else around them (Matthew's catfishing scheme, Tank's decision to leave his fraternity, Bay & Emmett's choice to forgo birth control). But now, I think that the writers meant that Bay & Emmett's love was still among "the ruins" of his original cheating with Simone. I think the writers are trying to tell us that Emmett's cheating is something that cannot be overcome, at least not with Bay. She was right at Blue River Road. Emmett ruined them.

Bay gave it her all in their second relationship, but her feelings for Emmett weren't what they needed to be, in order to sustain the relationship. Bay didn't love Emmett as deeply the second time, and Emmett felt that. Or maybe Bay loved Emmett so deeply that she had to hide it. I don't know which it is, but whichever way, I do believe the problem was caused by Emmett's original cheating.

It might even be that Emmett's night with Simone opened up the door to him thinking about himself as a loser and a flake. Maybe that's why Emmett abandoned Bay, after what happened between Bay and Tank. Maybe Emmett doesn't believe he is a a strong enough person to stand by Bay. Or maybe like Bay said to Daphne, Emmett is just a weak person and always has been one. Maybe that's why Emmett originally cheated with Simone and that's why he broke up with Bay after what happened with Tank.

All of it seems to hinge on Emmett's original cheating, though. As Kathryn said in the episode where it happens, "It's about mistakes, accidents, errors in judgment and how these moments define who we are and the paths we take."

Emmett's path was defined the moment he made his mistake, and as much as I believed the story would show Emmett overcoming his error in judgment, I no longer believe Emmett can regain what he lost. In real life, some people can, but in this show, even as much as Bay and Emmett both tried, it wasn't possible.

What Bay & Emmett rebuilt during their second relationship wasn't as good as what they had during their first relationship. Bay and Emmett can still have decent lives, separately. They will just never get back what they lost when Emmett cheated. Maybe that's why Emmett cheated in the beginning. Maybe what Bay and Emmett shared was never all that great, after all.

The writers don't leave us with a lot of other options, in which to believe. If anyone has a perspective that's more hopeful than mine, please share. I need some hope!
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:51 PM
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I hope when all is said and done that I feel good about the show. I'll be sad, if I don't.
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I hope when all is said and done that I feel good about the show. I'll be sad, if I don't.
I think that's all we can hope for
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Old 08-25-2016, 10:30 AM
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I think that's all we can hope for
Me, too. I am really worried that I won't like the direction the story goes in the final season.

I am worried that the "sister love" between Bay and Daphne will be too strong for my taste.

I am worried that the social issue of the day will take precedence over character development and authenticity.

I am worried that the writers will make Travis a focal point, when I don't care about Travis's career as a baseball player or his relationship with his mother.

I am worried that Lily and Toby will fall into this wonderfully happy romance, now that they have a baby together, and that's not true to life. It will be difficult. And I don't care about their relationship enough to watch them work through those difficulties. The writers never inspired me to like Lily and Toby as a couple.

And I am worried that once again, everything will go Daphne's way in Season 5. I am not sure that I can stomach any more of that, until her character takes responsibility for her actions in previous seasons.

I hope I can enjoy Season 5.
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I really hope so too Amy, I agree with a lot of your points. But sister bond love is not quickly too strong for my taste
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Old 08-25-2016, 09:43 PM
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I really hope so too Amy, I agree with a lot of your points. But sister bond love is not quickly too strong for my taste
Hello, Paula!

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.

Do you mean that you love sister bonds, and there's no way for the writers to make it too strong or too fast for you (because you love sister bonds so much)?
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I think that's what I mean yes

I DO agree that the both of them dropping everything and everyone else for each other is over the top. (I responded in this thread before I read your response in Bay's thread and I'm assuming that that is what you mean with "too strong"?)
But seeing the relationship between the two of them, having it tight. Them confiding in each other, being each other's best friends, I totally love that.
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Old 08-26-2016, 06:13 AM
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I think that's what I mean yes

I DO agree that the both of them dropping everything and everyone else for each other is over the top. (I responded in this thread before I read your response in Bay's thread and I'm assuming that that is what you mean with "too strong"?)

But seeing the relationship between the two of them, having it tight. Them confiding in each other, being each other's best friends, I totally love that.
Yep! That's what I mean with "too strong."

From the beginning, I wanted Bay and Daphne to become friends. I liked watching the mistrust, at first, because that felt real and natural, but I always wanted for them to work through it, especially since I love Bay and Emmett together, and Emmett thinks of Daphne as a sister and best friend.

One of my all-time favorite scenes is the one where Bay, Emmett, and Daphne go to the gay bar looking for Angelo, and then, end up at the Senator (a diner) after they bomb their mission. That scene is brief, but it's electrified. So many undercurrents of love and friendship exist between all three characters. That moment is absolutely delicious.

I so wish we had seen more scenes of Bay, Emmett, and Daphne together.

Sisterhood is great. I love my sister. She does so much for me. But her husband comes first, and he should. I would never want it any other way. I can't imagine Daphne allowing Bay to put her before Emmett. I can't imagine Daphne allowing Bay to risk her whole future. I'd never allow my sister to do that for me. I value my sister's life too much, for me to allow her to risk it for my mistakes.

Have we seen Daphne drop everything and everyone else for Bay yet? I know she went to California to bring Emmett home, but she said she had a free ticket, so that's not much of a sacrifice. She made Bay lunch for her first day on the chain gang.

What else have we seen Daphne do or sacrifice for Bay?
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Yeah, I'm totally with you
And what has Daphne even done to deserve that level of loyalty from Bay?

I was thinking more like sister-scenes. I love sister-scenes, seeing the bond between them grow. But it has to be an equal bond.
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:53 AM
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And what has Daphne even done to deserve that level of loyalty from Bay?

I was thinking more like sister-scenes. I love sister-scenes, seeing the bond between them grow. But it has to be an equal bond.
Yes!

Do you think we should consider Daphne's sacrifice of her relationship with Liam in Season 1? I've been looking for any sign of something Daphne has done for Bay, since she took the fall for her. But maybe I have been looking in the wrong places.

Do you think the writers wanted/expected viewers to feel that Bay had wronged Daphne for all these years (because of the thing with Liam), and that Bay taking the fall for Daphne now, is finally paying Daphne back for the sacrifices she made for Bay in the very beginning of their relationship?
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I personally don't.
That was such a long time ago. And a small thing in comparison. I know that Daphne said that she really liked Liam, but if she did truly think it would work out with him, she should/could have just picked him over Bay at that point
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Don't forget tomorrow is the FIRST Season 5 promo for Switched at Birth.

It will air sometime during The Fosters Season 4 Finale.
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