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Old 08-10-2016, 07:38 PM
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Thanks for the news Amy!
So excited we got an air date.
It's still such a long wait though
Yes! It is good news. I'm glad for a date, too, but it still feels so far away. That reminds me of Bay pouring out her heart to Tank at the dorm party, in the episode At The First Clear Word. Bay says, "He's so far, and I'm so far. We're both so far."

Switched at Birth feels really, really far away, too.

Hey, if you could choose any three characters to return for the final season, which three would you choose?
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Yes! It is good news. I'm glad for a date, too, but it still feels so far away. That reminds me of Bay pouring out her heart to Tank at the dorm party, in the episode At The First Clear Word. Bay says, "He's so far, and I'm so far. We're both so far."

Switched at Birth feels really, really far away, too.

Hey, if you could choose any three characters to return for the final season, which three would you choose?
I had closed the wrong thread! The right one is open now.

Thanks for letting me know!
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Return for the entire final season??

Very good question.
I'd love to have Angelo back, but obviously that's not an option
But I'm going to choose him anyway .
Ty. I think I liked Ty, he can come back
And Wilke! I loved Wilke
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Return for the entire final season??

Very good question.
I'd love to have Angelo back, but obviously that's not an option
But I'm going to choose him anyway .
Ty. I think I liked Ty, he can come back
And Wilke! I loved Wilke
That's cool! I'd choose Angelo, too. While I like that the writers explored death on the show, I feel his character was the wrong choice to kill off. Both of the girls had too many good story possibilities with Angelo, to let him go. Also, anyone that the two girls might date should have had a story with Angelo! And Kathryn and Regina both could have had VERY intriguing stories with Angelo, if the writers would have written them. Even between John and Angelo, there was all this delicious tension.

Why kill that off, especially so early in the series? So much wasted potential, it hurts.

I feel what the writers did with Angelo in the seasons before his death was boring. A baby mama? All that build up for Bay to find her dad, and then, nothing ever happens between them. Angelo turns out to be a disappointment to everyone. (I don't think the writers want to create strong male characters on their show.) The writers never even did anything with Baby Abby. Why? Does Bay care about her sister? Does she keep in touch with Leo, the man who adopted Abby, to receive pictures and updates? Or does Bay pretend not to have a sister?

So much to explore, and the writers never touch upon it.

If the only thing the writers had planned for Emmett's character is what they have done with him, then he should have been the character killed off. His death could have been partially related to his Deafness and opened up a story there. In Starry Night, I still remember Emmett asking Bay, "Don't you think that's happened to me a million times. Don't you think I can handle it without my hearing girlfriend coming to the rescue?" It would have been interesting to explore a situation Emmett couldn't handle. A teenager's death always affects adults. Regina, Kathryn, and John could have remembered moments they spent with Emmett. Plus, Daphne could have explored her grief over losing a friend, especially one she had drifted away from since finding out about the switch. And Bay could have explored losing an ex-boyfriend. Emmett was always saying, "I'm okay." It would have been interesting to explore a moment when he wasn't okay. It would have opened up more conflict than Angelo's death.

Other than Angelo, I, too, would like to bring back Wilke. I miss him. Wilke was charismatic, adorable, and the absolute best. He sparkled with personality.

I'd like to have learned more about Bay's Alternate Universe brother AJ (from the Christmas episode) and Bay's Galapagos boyfriend Alex. Both of those characters have charisma, too. Also, Garrett, the guy that Bay slept with to move on with her life (after spring break in Mexico), is another charasmatic character I'd enjoy getting to know better.

I have no interest in Ty, though. His character is wallpaper for me. Noah and Tank aren't much better. I did like Teo. I wonder why the writers replaced him with Noah. Teo had more chemistry with Bay and Daphne than Noah did.
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I have no idea who AJ, Teo and Garrett are
The other names do ring a bell for me though.

You have written it all. I agree so much with you on Angelo. There were so many potential story lines that could've happened / been explored. He definitely was the wrong character to kill off.

Also, I'm a Bay/Emmett fan for life, but yes, him dying would have made for a much more interesting and less typical story

I liked Ty. I'm team Emmett But if not Emmett, I would've liked Ty as her boyfriend.
However, my re-watch stranded somewhere at the end of season 1/ beginning season 2. It's highly probable that I feel different about things after a re-watch, I usually do
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I have no idea who AJ, Teo and Garrett are
The other names do ring a bell for me though.
AJ only appeared in one episode, the alternate universe Christmas special called Yuletide Fortune Tellers, at the end of Season 3. His character was Angelo, Jr., and he was Regina and Angelo's son, born only a year or two after Bay, if Bay had never been switched at the hospital.

That episode aired in December of 2014, right after Bay took the fall for Daphne on their high school graduation day. The episode appears to take place on Christmas 2013 more than 2014, though, because Emmett and Daphne are not yet in college, and Bay is not yet on probation for a felony, as she was in the "real" December 2014.

Lizzy Weiss tweeted that their Christmas special doesn't fit with any timeline, and she is right. In the episode, Bay and Emmett are back together, as a couple, and Angelo has already died, but Daphne is not yet spinning out of control with Nacho.

AJ was utterly charming and adorable. I immediately wanted him to be a real character on the TV series. I wanted Bay to have a brother like AJ. The writers severely dropped the ball with writing for Bay and Toby's connection. It was phenomenal in Season 1A, 1B, and 1C, and then, Season 2 came along and the writers threw away Bay and Toby's relationship.

At first, I thought that it would be a meaty story between the two characters. Bay is obviously hurt when Toby chooses Nikki over Bay, and he does it consciously. When Bay pushes the issue, Toby even tells Bay with blunt words that Nikki comes first now, and he and Bay no longer share that kind of bond.

Of course, with Bay's insecurity over being switched, I thought the writers would refer back to these moments, but they never do. Bay seems to accept everything Toby tells her and moves on with her life, without letting any of it bother her.

In later episodes, Bay does NOT follow Toby's example, because she obviously puts her family ahead of her romantic partner. Toby never offers Bay any sort of apology for drawing a clear line to let Bay know her place in his life, although Toby does express a bit of regret that he wasn't there to support Bay more during the fallout after her drunken night with Tank.

Since Toby's relationship with Bay was such a disappointment for me, especially after being so promising in the beginning, I really latched onto AJ. I wanted Bay to have a brother with a full biological connection. Although it's not fair to Toby, in my mind, I thought maybe a biological brother would stand by Bay more than wimpy, childish Toby did.

I thought Toby was cooler than who he turned out to be. The writers emasculated him after Season 1. Toby was cheated on by Simone, treated like he was disposable by Nikki, and walked over like a doormat by Lily. Toby should have stuck with Simone, because her love for him was true. But Toby didn't even have the strength to do that. I do like how Toby stood up to Bay about refusing to abort his son. Maybe a child will be good for Toby.

Teo
was only in a couple of episodes at the beginning of Season 2. Lizzy Weiss had tweeted that a character named Teo was going to "rock Bay's world" before the season aired. Teo was a hearing student going through the pilot program at Calrlton with Bay. He and Bay struck up a friendship and flirted a bit, and then, he was gone and replaced by Noah at the Tolerance Retreat. I guess Noah is the character who ended up "rocking Bay's world" instead. Although, I don't really see that. Noah and Bay never amounted to much as a couple. Noah was far more interested in Daphne.

There was never any explanation as to what happened to Teo or why he wasn't at Melody's Tolerance Retreat with the other students. He just disappeared off the face of the "Switched at Birth" earth. Noah disappeared, too, not long after Teo, but at least with Noah, we got to hear Daphne say that he returned to Canada with his family.

Garrett is the very handsome man who is friends with Travis. He works on a loading dock, and Bay wants to date Garrett after she returns from Mexico (and following her breakup with Emmett). Daphne tells Bay that Garrett is a player, and Bay says she can roll with that. On their first date, Bay runs into Tank, while she is kissing Garrett. After Bay bolts, Travis tells Garrett that Bay was raped by Tank, so Garrett won't pressure Bay for sex. Bay is upset with Travis for telling Garrett her private situation. Travis says he was just trying to help Bay, but he already had feelings for her, and it's obvious that he didn't want Bay sleeping with Garrett.

Anyway, Bay doesn't let Travis get in her way with Garrett.

Bay decides to stay all night with Garrett at the end of episode 4x18 "The Accommodations of Desire," after Garrett explains that he is a novice, when it comes to having sex with someone who has gone through what Bay has. That statement is enough to give Bay the confidence she needs to move forward with her sexuality.

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IYou have written it all. I agree so much with you on Angelo. There were so many potential story lines that could've happened / been explored. He definitely was the wrong character to kill off.

Also, I'm a Bay/Emmett fan for life, but yes, him dying would have made for a much more interesting and less typical story

I liked Ty. I'm team Emmett But if not Emmett, I would've liked Ty as her boyfriend.
However, my re-watch stranded somewhere at the end of season 1/ beginning season 2. It's highly probable that I feel different about things after a re-watch, I usually do
I'm a Bay & Emmett fan for life, too. In a perfect world, the writers would have actually written a story for them as a couple, at least once during the five seasons. But we will never get that.

Bay & Emmett reunite under the stars in Episode 3x11. Then, Bay deals with her guilt over cheating on Tank, before getting back together with Emmett at the end of 3x12. In the next episode 3x13, Emmett deals with Matthew's continued bullying. In 3x14, Bay and Emmett finally tell people they are back together and actually share a moment together, where Emmett tells Bay how much she means to him. Then, in the next three episodes, 3x15, 3x16, and 3x17, Bay is dealing with Angelo's death. There's one moment where Emmett gives Bay a very brief hug, but that (and finding Angelo's living will) encompass Emmett's only function or role in those three episodes.

Then, Bay chooses to disrespect Emmett by having dinner with Tank and his dad, instead of celebrating Emmett's acceptance to Gallaudet with him. Then, Bay refuses to tell Emmett about her potential to develop aneurysms at senior skip day, despite the fact that she is worried sick about it, and has shared the whole situation with Tank.

Then, Bay is oblivious to Emmett's desire to make up for their first prom, by giving her the most special night ever at their second prom. Emmett is able to listen to Bay and give her a night that means something to her, but it has little to do with what he had dreamed about giving to her.

And then, in the very next episode, Bay takes the fall for Daphne without discussing anything with Emmett beforehand, and their relationship as I dreamed of it is gone. Emmett goes off to college without Bay, and everyone knows what happens after that.

We never got to see Bay and Emmett as a real couple, during their second relationship. We only got to see glimpses of them falling apart.

If that's all that the writers were going to do with Emmett's character, then, I feel they should have killed him.

Watching Bay not trust Emmett, after she said that she had forgiven him for cheating, was painful. It makes me feel as though the writers are saying that true forgiveness does not exist in the world. Bay could not get past Emmett's original betrayal. I believe she gave it her best try, though.

If Bay could not be happy with Emmett the second time, if the writers were determined to not allow viewers to see any scenes of Bay & Emmett happy and working together as a couple, then yeah, I wish that they had killed off Emmett's character in the middle of Season 2, right after the uprising at Carlton.

We could have seen Bay try to reconnect with Ty, after Emmett's death. That would have been more interesting to watch, especially since Ty has new insight into the subject of death as a soldier. Mary Beth and Bay could have been closer, because they both lost someone dear to them. Bay could have been especially fearful of Ty's redeployment, even more so than she already was. Daphne could have felt guilty for ignoring Emmett, since the switch was discovered. Melody and Cameron could have been pained because of their divorce and its effect on Emmett before his death. Bay could have wished that she would have let Emmett know she still loved him.

It could have been a really good story, much better than the shallow story we got with Angelo's death.

Have you rewatched the episodes where Bay & Ty finally have a sexual relationship? That's where I stopped liking Ty. I enjoyed Ty in Season 1A, before he deployed the first time. When Ty returned, he never connected with Bay on more than a physical level. Perhaps he could have done so, if he was comforting her after Emmett's death.
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I am not sure who who I want to return to be honest. probably wilke
If I could only have one character return, Wilke would be it for me. The writers never should have allowed Austin Butler to get away from them. They should have made him a series regular, before making Gilles Marini's Angelo a series regular.

Wilke was more important to what the writers were trying to accomplish. Angelo could have easily been a guest star here and there as Bay's dad, especially since he died a short while later. Whereas Wilke's character was needed to provide a balance and keep the teen characters' stories consistent. Wilke was critical as Toby's best friend, as the guy who could see Emmett as a phony, as Bay's probable first crush, as Daphne's soulmate, who the switch cheated her from ever knowing.

Wilke was important to the story that the writers were telling. They just didn't seem to realize it.
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How many times have you watched the show Amy? I'm so impressed by all of your knowledge!
It's that way for me for The 100, which is why they named me Walking Talking Wiki

I googled the actors
Teo I knew from Teen Wolf
Garrett is Nyle. I remember him, the name didn't ring a bell, but I know who he is

Noah and AJ apparently just didn't stand out to me, which in the case of AJ is not surprising, I usually don't like child actors very much

I totally agree on Wilke, it's the one character that is still alive that I'd love to see come back.

My shipper heart also still wants Bay/Emmett to get back together though :lol;

To answer your question on re-watch; the last episode I think I saw, was Toby meeting Nikki.
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Yesterday, I went to work for a teacher in-service at my school. Now, I have two lesson plans to write by Friday for that class I took last week. I have 12 more days of summer vacation before I go back to work for teacher work-week. And then, after Labor Day weekend, I go back to work.

I have a lot of house cleaning and organizing that I hope to get done over the next 12 days. I have procrastinated and not done it yet. So once I have those lesson plans written, I need to bite the bullet and do it. Most of the work involves going through clothes, toys, and household items to give to charity. Also, I have a lot of accumulated paper (junk mail, school stuff, mementos, etc.), and I need to go through that and throw things away. Then, I can dust and vacuum and mop, and start the school year off right!

Has anyone heard any news about Switched at Birth, recently?

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How many times have you watched the show Amy? I'm so impressed by all of your knowledge!
It's that way for me for The 100, which is why they named me Walking Talking Wiki

I googled the actors
Teo I knew from Teen Wolf
Garrett is Nyle. I remember him, the name didn't ring a bell, but I know who he is

Noah and AJ apparently just didn't stand out to me, which in the case of AJ is not surprising, I usually don't like child actors very much

I totally agree on Wilke, it's the one character that is still alive that I'd love to see come back.

My shipper heart also still wants Bay/Emmett to get back together though :lol;

To answer your question on re-watch; the last episode I think I saw, was Toby meeting Nikki.
I'm watching Switched at Birth continuously.

When I first discovered the show on Netflix, in late August of 2012 (about four years ago this weekend), I watched those first 22 episodes several times, before the Season 1C premiere This Is the Color of My Dreams. That's the episode where Emmett meets Bay at Blue River Road, and she tells him, "You ripped the fabric apart. You can't just tape it back together with words."

Then, after that, I only watched the remainder of the series one time. After Season 1B, Switched at Birth has never again inspired me to watch with multiple viewings. A spark has been missing from the TV series. It died when Bay drove away from Emmett on Blue River Road, and it hasn't returned. I don't even think the missing spark had to do with Bay & Emmett's relationship, though. It's the writing. It hasn't been as good or as consistent after Season 1B.

Season 1C sucked. I don't know what happened, but the writing was bad. Something big must have happened behind the scenes, to throw the writers off their game.

Season 2A had moments of greatness. I love Human/Need/Desire and Uprising. I've watched those two episodes multiple times. Both of those episodes focus on the Deaf characters. Every time Switched at Birth strays from the Deaf point of view, the story suffers. That's the element that makes the show extraordinary and unique.

In Season 2B, I liked As The Shadows Deepen, The Merrymakers, and Departure of Summer. I've watched those three episodes multiple times. Ecce Mono was interesting, but I haven't felt a need to go back and rewatch it.

Season 3A was the worst season of all. I don't know what happened there, but it was bad. I do like the last few minutes of Love Seduces Innocence, Pleasure Entraps, and Remorse Follows, when Bay and Emmett make love for the first time. And I like Bay and Emmett's scenes in Dance Me To The End of Love, along with that heartfelt family dance. The lyrics to Dance Off Time made me want Emmett to be there with the family so badly. The lyrics say, "And if we multiply, I hope to God they get your eyes, And we get something that you can't divide, 'Cuz baby you are the one." Those lyrics were supposedly meant for John & Kathryn, but they felt so much as though they were meant for Bay & Emmett, especially in that moment, after they'd just returned from their trip to that old time Las Vegas setting.

Most of Season 3B was good again. I haven't rewatched all of the episodes, but I do regularly rewatch Love Among the Ruins, Like a Snowball Down a Mountain, and Oh, Future!. I also rewatch all of Emmett's scenes in the remainder of this season. He isn't the focal point of the story, and yet, Sean Berdy did some of his best work here.

The writing in Season 4 was good again. It was still missing some intangible spark, but I liked the story. I've rewatched We Were So Close That Nothing Used to Stand Between Us, Fog and Storm and Rain, There Is My Heart, To Repel Ghosts, and Instead of Damning the Darkness, It's Better to Light a Little Lantern multiple times. The other episodes in Season 4 haven't really inspired me, though. I have rewatched the scenes between Bay and Tank, during the sexual consent storyline, trying to ascertain what happened between them, but I don't enjoy those scenes.

For the entirety of the series, all 93 episodes so far, I have watched and rewatched and rewatched again, every single one of Emmett's scenes. Those bring me a lot of joy.

Yeah, for every scene with the character of Emmett, I've gone back and watched those scenes dozens of times, maybe scores of times. Characters who do not interest me at all sparkle when on screen with Emmett. I'm not sure if it is the actor, or something about the way that the character is written, or some unidentified force within the story, but there's something about Emmett that that makes everything snap, crackle, and pop. I wish the writers had featured the character more often.
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Amy, I feel like you're the way with SAB as I am with The 100
I've re-watched the entire series 6 times and the episodes I really love even more than that.

I don't know all of the names from the episodes you're talking about of course, but I do find it interesting to read all of your thoughts, thank you for that!

I need to figure out where I left off, because I didn't write it down And continue my re-watch later. I do want to re-watch all of it before we get the last episodes

And no, I haven't heard any news either
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Amy, I feel like you're the way with SAB as I am with The 100
I've re-watched the entire series 6 times and the episodes I really love even more than that.

I don't know all of the names from the episodes you're talking about of course, but I do find it interesting to read all of your thoughts, thank you for that!

I need to figure out where I left off, because I didn't write it down And continue my re-watch later. I do want to re-watch all of it before we get the last episodes

And no, I haven't heard any news either
Wow! It must be really good. I'm going to have to watch The 100 sometime soon.

I want to re-watch Switched at Birth, too. I want to look for parallels and details I've missed or forgotten. There's lots of rich stuff to find. I'd like to do that before the end.

Speaking of the end, Lizzy Weiss just tweeted that the first Switched at Birth promo for Season 5 of Switched at Birth will be aired next Monday night, during the Season Finale of The Fosters. I'm going to set my DVR, so I can rewatch it. I always like to look for small details in those promos, too.

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