ollibear

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ollibear

It was a beautiful episode. The writers do know how to write. Sometimes I am not sure, but tonight, the writing was good. (The acting has always been strong.)

It does feel as though everything special that Bay & Emmett have ever shared has been decimated. Tonight, Bay had mind-blowing sex with Travis, and later, she looked him in the eye to tell him that she loves him and to kiss him deeply, while Emmett was standing just a few feet away.

Until now, Bay & Emmett fans have held onto the fact that Bay never told Ty (or any other man) that she loved him and seemed to have a deeper sexual connection with Emmett than anyone else, too.

Not anymore. I am okay with that. Bay and Travis are fine with me, if that's what the writers want.

I don't want to watch Bay and Travis together, but I could be satisfied knowing that they are happy together off screen. Maybe Melody was right when she told John that Bay and Travis might marry some day. Melody has always been in Travis's corner, especially when it comes to Bay.

As for this fan, I wish I could watch a show about Emmett. I would like to see him fall in love and move on to a good life, too, one without Bay or Daphne.

I have thought about Daphne as a romantic partner for Emmett, and if we had more episodes, I could like that story. I don't care for Daphne anymore, but the writers could have drawn on her history with Emmett and created something good.

I would not choose Ally for Emmett's life partner, especially seeing as how she is a recovering cocaine addict and has no family, and yet, when Emmett talked to Ally tonight I saw sparks.

I won't get to see Emmett ever fall in love again, but it is and always has been my favorite part of the story. I wish that I could see that again, because Emmett makes me feel emotions that none of the other characters are able to reach.

It was a beautiful episode tonight, though. All of it was lovely.

nailpolishchick2

Some of my biggest pet peeves for this episode were:

Travis asking if the sex was better than Emmett to Bay right after that... OMG. Reeks of insecurity.

Bay couldn't even manage an I love you to Ty when she lost her virginity to him yet she can manage one for Travis? I do not buy it. She may love Travis but I don't believe for one single second she's in love with him. Her actions do not match up to someone in love. It's time for Bay to own her feelings for once and stop running from them.

Secondly, Kathryn was seriously overstepping with this christian thing regarding Carlton. Carlton is not her son and Lily has all the right in the world to raise her son as Jewish. She may have come around but not everyone has the same belief system.

Thirdly, I truly believe this is inappripriate for Melody to stick up so much for Travis. Travis is not her son, Emmett is. Emmett should have been in this episode more. I am really tired of him being overshadowed by Travis. Melody is all about doing the right thing and she did not adopt Travis, taking him under her wing and adopting is two very different things.

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The Angelo scenes were beautiful.

ollibear

Not only did Melody not adopt Travis, but he was OVER 18 when he moved in with Melody and Emmett. That was a big plot point in the story, because Travis's parents were supposedly pushing him out of the house because he was already 18 years old.

(Then, in a later episode, Daphne confronted Travis's mother, while she was on the job issuing parking tickets, and we learned that the woman never pushed Travis out of her home. Instead, Travis was the one getting into fights with his brother and his dad and threatening to move out of their home.)

But Travis's anger issues are not important. What matters is that Travis was over 18 when he moved out of his home and into the Kennish Car Wash, and he was well over 18 when he finally moved in with Melody. So how Travis became Melody's son is beyond me.

In upcoming episode descriptions, Freeform even calls Travis's mother his "birth mom" as if Travis has been officially adopted by Melody. In tonight's episode description, Freeform describes Melody wanting to celebrate her birthday with her two sons.

What? When did that happen? I don't get it.

Knowing that Bay and Travis have had such mind-blowing sex makes me really not want Bay and Emmett to ever get back together again. It bothers me seeing them switch sexual partners back and forth (and back again) like that. It's gross for Bay to do that with two brothers. She should just stick with Travis, now that things are so hot between them. Emmett needs someone new.

~AnastasiaGrey~

Wait so what exactly happened here ? Basically they are pushing Bay and Travis and leaving Emmett in the cold?

Yeah I am not going to like this am I?

ollibear

Pretty much.

The episode starts with Bay showing up at Travis's dorm in nothing but a short trench coat. She disrobes for him and they proceed to go at it hot and heavy with a full body hug and deep kissing, while we are looking at Bay's naked back.

Then, we see them rolling around in the bed together for a split second, before they come up for air, both looking shocked that the sex between them could be that good. I think both of them said, "Wow!" at the same time. Bay proceeds to say that it was the best sex she has ever had, and Travis asks her, "Better than Emmett?"

Bay looks at Travis as though he has two heads, and then, she receives a text and dresses to go meet Daphne.

Later, Travis visits Melody's house, at her request, to celebrate her birthday with Emmett. The two boys argue over the fact that Travis's insecurities caused Bay to cut off her friendship with Emmett. Emmett storms away, after telling Travis that some famous publication wanted to do a feature story on his photography and Bay's tattoos, but now, they cannot do that. Travis tells Melody something like, "See what I have to put up with?"

Melody replies that Emmett mixed six different kinds of pills and almost died a few weeks ago. She adds that Emmett has lost everything, while Travis is successful in everything.

Travis hugs Melody and goes to Chrome to apologize to Emmett, who tells him that he stole his home, his mother, his girlfriend, his whole life. Travis agrees and says something like, "I guess I did. You have a really great life."

Emmett says, "I had one." They make up and go to see Bay. Travis tells Bay that she can continue her friendship with Emmett, if she wants. Bay signs and says to Travis, "I love you," right in front of Emmett, and then, they kiss deeply while Emmett is standing just a few feet away.

The episode ends with Emmett asking the girl who has Angelo's heart if he could take a picture of her new tattoo. I found myself wishing that she and Emmett would become a couple, even though she isn't a good match for him, because it is obvious that Emmett needs to start over and Sean Berdy has chemistry with every person he meets.

charming_essa

I really enjoyed this episode. I loved seeing Angelo again and all the family stories playing out.

I'm glad to see Toby and Lily coming together and making the decisions that they feel are right for their family.

Bay really needs to stop making decisions that affect other people before talking to them first. She agreed to let Ally meet Regina before talking to Regina first (thankfully Daphne tried to intervene there) and she let Ally move in without talking to Daphne first. This is a pattern with her.

I have always believed that Bay and Emmett would be back together by the end of the series. I'm not taking that back just yet, but I'm not as sure as I used to be. It would be almost unforgivable now if she leaves Travis for Emmett after being so critical of Travis for his insecurities.

I can understand why Emmett feels resentful of Travis. He did pretty much steal Emmett's life. A lot of that is on Melody though. It's great that she wanted to help Travis and there's nothing wrong with her loving him like a son, but it feels weird to me that she treats him like her kid when he's an adult.

ollibear

I did, too.

"Occupy Truth" was well-written, but "Memory (The Heart)" gave me a warm feeling. I had missed that.

I agree.

It's interesting that Toby's difficulties in his first marriage stemmed over religion, too. It feels as though he got it right this time. I have seen some fans putting him down for letting his wife be his boss, but I feel as though they are communicating (negotiating differences) and operating as equals. It seemed as though they were both being respectful of one another. I liked how each person (including Kathryn) could rise to the occasion to do what is right.

While I agree that Bay is impulsive and anyone partnered with Bay may be negatively affected by that, I didn't think what Bay did was all that bad here. Ally sought out Daphne without anyone talking to Daphne first to make sure she was okay with it. To me, Regina should be okay in that scenario, too. It's just an initial meeting. She still could have chosen to close the door to a relationship.

Allowing Ally to crash with them for a few days didn't seem like that big of a deal to me either. College kids allow other college kids to crash at their apartments all the time. Ally did have Angelo's heart. I could see Bay feeling a connection and wanting to build on it. Telling a fellow college student that she can crash on your couch is a lot better than taking the fall for a felony. I felt like Daphne was too guarded, and I almost wondered whether Daphne felt some sort of weird sibling rivalry with Ally. Daphne seemed to want Bay all to herself, but maybe that was just my imagination.

I did find it interesting that Bay made a big deal about how much room they had at the apartment and how huge it is, when she had told Travis he could not stay with her and Daphne.

What are the writers doing with Bay and Travis's relationship? They are sending viewers mixed signals. Every time I think I know what direction the writers are heading, they veer off in an entirely new direction with that relationship.

I have never trusted that Bay and Emmett would be back together by the end of the series, but I have hoped.

You are right that it would be difficult for Bay to leave Travis for Emmett and be forgiven for that. Also, Bay would appear wishy washy, if she did that.

Also, Emmett cannot try to come between Bay and Travis, without appearing like a total cad now.

Reading the subtext of last night's episode, I got the feeling that Emmett is not unhappy that he broke up with Bay. My intuition tells me that, under the surface, Emmett is ready to let Bay go, and ultimately, he is glad Bay and Travis are happy together. Perhaps it is because he is dealing with so much due to his depression, but I don't get the feeling that Emmett wants Bay back. Last night's episode wasn't like the episodes after Emmett lost Bay the first time. Back then, Emmett pined for Bay. He wanted her back so badly. It's not that way this time. It seems as though Emmett has let Bay go.

Emmett allowed Travis to be the first one to enter the tattoo parlor. Emmett was submissive, following behind, as though he knows his place. Even when Bay kissed Travis and told him she loves him with Emmett only a few feet away, Emmett chose to look the other way and ignore them. He is not pining for Bay. Instead, Emmett seems open to whatever the tide might bring into his life.

It seems as though the writers are telling viewers that Bay and Emmett simply grew apart.

I am okay with that. It isn't the story I wanted, but it is satisfying in an odd sort of way. I just wish that I could have seen Emmett fall in love with someone new.

If Bay and Emmett end up together now, Travis would need to be the one to break up with Bay. It could happen, if the writers wanted it to happen. Travis could get a call up to the majors and put his baseball career ahead of his relationship. That was foreshadowed when Travis told Melody that he regretted going to China and losing his starting position on the team. But I don't see the writers doing that. It doesn't make sense to me that Travis would break up with Bay because of that. (But then again, it didn't make sense that Emmett would allow Bay to walk out of his life on the beach either. Sometimes, I think these writers just throw spaghetti against the wall and write whatever sticks. I don't believe their writing has a message.)

Yeah. It is weird.

When I was Emmett's age, if I had suggested to my mom that she should welcome a fellow student into our home, and if my mom had started to have such strong feelings for the kid, as Melody does for Travis, then I would have had a good long talk with my mother. We would have discussed that and gotten it all out into the open. We would have worked through my insecurities together. There is NO WAY I would allow some needy kid from my school to displace me in my own home. And honestly, my mother would not do that to me. She might give of her resources to another child, but she would never allow that connection to displace the connection that I share with her.

I don't understand how Melody could do that to Emmett. Lizzy Weiss has a son. Would she ever welcome one of his classmates into their home and allow her son to feel as though she loves that child every bit as much as she loves him? I don't think so.

It's not natural, especially when Travis was already 18 before Melody ever got to meet him. Melody acts as though she raised him from the time he was a little boy. It's weird.

Travis did steal Emmett's life. Emmett trusted him and opened up his home to him, and Travis walked away with everything, even though Emmett made it clear he was not okay with that.

Unfortunately, the fourth wall is broken for me. I feel as though Lizzy Weiss resents the character of Emmett so much that she gets pleasure out of doing that sort of stuff to him. I believe she resents his fans just as much, and she has gotten joy out of hurting us, too.

Last night she tweeted that she would have covered Emmett's depression story in more depth, if they had not gotten cancelled. Then, she added the word "bygones" to her tweet. It seemed condescending and dismissive. I could almost hear her voice saying, "So sorry, fans. I would have done more, but you know...bygones."

charming_essa

Amy, when you said you wish you could have seen Emmett fall in love with someone new, that could still happen and *if* he and Bay aren't getting back together, I think that would be a really good thing. They won't have time to really develop something new, but if they gave us the beginning of a new relationship for Emmett, then you can imagine for yourself how it would play out without the writers messing it up for you. I think one of the hardest things about being so invested in characters is that you have no control over how their stories play out and it often leads to disappointment.

~AnastasiaGrey~

Eh I just not buying this whole idea that Bay and Travis are ending together at the end... I just dont.

ollibear

I'd really like that.

After this episode aired, a TV critic tweeted to Lizzy Weiss to ask if people ship Emmett and Travis as a couple. The TV critic said that surely they must. She even said that she was becoming one of them.

Lizzy Weiss tweeted back this reply:

Ha...but no way. Tho maybe a threesome to end the fight? I think people were feeling Emmett/Ally sparks Tuesday nite.

I've shipped Emmett with a number of male characters. First, for me, was shipping Toby & Emmett. Then, I shipped Emmett with Wilke, Ty, Alex, and Matthew. I could ship Emmett with Travis, too.

As Lizzy Weiss suggested, an Emmett-Bay-Travis threesome to end the boys' fight over Bay would be interesting. I'd watch that.

I'm super glad that Lizzy Weiss recognized people were feeling those Emmett & Ally sparks. Maybe she has arranged for the hint of Emmett to fall in love with someone new. I would love that. As I watched Emmett's one-second scene with Ally, it reminded me of the Tom Hanks & Helen Hunt movie Castaway. If you've never seen it, a man survives a plane crash to be stranded alone on a deserted island for years. Everyone believes he is dead. When he returns home, his fiancee, the love of his life, has married another man and has a child.

The movie has a lot of wisdom in it. Like life, the movie is bittersweet. To me, Bay & Emmett's story is moving quickly into that territory, too.

Here's one scene from the third draft of the script of Castaway. I believe this scene was cut from the actual movie, though. It's a scene between the man who was rescued from the deserted island (Chuck) and one of his former co-workers (Stan). Kelly (Chuck's fiancee) is mentioned in the first sentence of subtext, too.

Here's the cut scene:

Now's when Stan gets to the question he's been wanting to ask, that Kelly wanted to know, that we all want to know.

STAN
So, what's it all about?

Chuck stares at him.

STAN
You've been over the line and you came
back. You've been saved, hallelujah!

CHUCK
Hallelujah.

Stan looks over at him.

STAN
I'm serious. The burning bush, the big
picture, the words in neon...

CHUCK
What's it all about? It's about being so
thirsty you'd crush a fish's backbone to
suck out the spinal fluid -- that's what
it's about.

Stan sits back, repulsed but relieved.

STAN
Do what it takes. That's what I always
told you.

He pours another drink.

STAN
To life. ****** 'em if they can't take a
joke.

CHUCK
To life.

STAN
That's all there is.

CHUCK
Believe me I know.

He takes a sip of his drink, just savoring it, thinking.

CHUCK
But it's not being bold or being in the
game or rolling the dice.

All those things Stan used to tell him.

CHUCK
When I was going crazy, on the raft, I'd
argue with myself about everything.
Because everything had a price. To get
anything -- a sip of water, a little
corner of shade, an hour's sleep -- I had
to let go of something else. And then I
could never get it back.

He thinks some more.

CHUCK
You don't win or lose. You win and lose.

He looks out the window.

CHUCK
You win and lose.

That's what I think Lizzy Weiss is going for with her characters, especially Bay & Emmett. "You don't win or lose. You win and lose." It seems to me that all of the characters on Switched at Birth win and lose.

Here's another scene from Castaway that reminds me of Bay & Emmett's relationship. I'd like an ending scene like this one for Bay & Emmett. The situations are completely different, but I'd still like a scene where Bay & Emmett acknowledge what they meant to each other, before they say their goodbyes.

CHUCK: I never should've gotten on that plane. I never should've gotten out of the car.

KELLY: I wanna show you something. Come here. This is--This is our car.

CHUCK: You kept our car. All right, now, this is weird.

KELLY: It's a good car. Had a lot of memories in this car.

CHUCK: Two very nice memories.

KELLY: Oh, that trip down to the Gulf, yeah.

CHUCK: So, can I drive it ?

KELLY: It's your car.

CHUCK: That's good, 'cause my--my taxi's gone.

KELLY: Um--Let me get some stuff out of the back.

[Removes Belongings]

CHUCK: You think you're gonna have more kids?

KELLY: I don't know. It's kind of confusing right now.

CHUCK: Well, you should. I mean, really, you should. I would.

KELLY: So, what now?

CHUCK: I don't know. I really don't know.

[Starts Engine.]

KELLY: You said you'd be right back.

CHUCK: I'm so sorry.

KELLY: Me too. Chuck! Chuck! Chuck! I always knew you were alive. I knew it. But everybody said I had to stop saying that--that I had to let you go. I love you. You're the love of my life.

CHUCK: I love you too, Kelly. More than you'll ever know.

KELLY: Chuck?

CHUCK: You have to go home.

The whole scene plays out in a rainstorm, and Kelly does go back inside her house, where her husband and daughter are sleeping. It's sad. Chuck goes on with his life, waiting to see what the next tide might bring his way.

I could accept Switched at Birth fading out with Bay & Travis as a couple, and Emmett waiting to see what the next tide might bring his way.

It would be great if Bay & Emmett's last scene together could be in rainstorm like this one, to make up for the time, in another rainstorm, that Emmett walked away angry and hurt. It won't happen, but it would have been meaningful, if it did.

ollibear

We should do a thread where we just post YouTube clips of lovers saying their final goodbyes, sort of like a "best moments" in TV and movie history. It could prepare us for what might transpire between Bay & Emmett on Switched at Birth. I'll look for some videos. I may start a thread, in case any one is willing to add clips to it.

As for this episode Memory (The Heart), Lizzy Weiss tweeted about one of her writers, Linda Gase, doing research on organ donation and discovering something called cellular memory. Lizzy Weiss asked, "Do organ recipients inherit the DNA of their donors?"

I am familiar with that. A friend's son died suddenly and unexpectedly of a brain aneurysm. He was only 8 years old. My friend donated her son's organs and met some of his recipients. One shared with my friend that throughout her life she had never liked ice cream. However, as soon as she woke up from the organ transplant, she craved ice cream. Her newfound favorite flavor was the same as my friend's son's.

I believe in cellular memory.

~AnastasiaGrey~

Thanks for posting that

ollibear

Anybody else have any favorite goodbye scenes for lovers?

Or even better, does anyone know of any good reunion scenes for lovers?

I have never seen "The Notebook" all the way through, but I think they reunite at the end, right? Is that iconic rain scene their reunion? Or is that their breakup, like Bay & Emmett?

Does anyone think Ally will be back for the series finale? I hope she is! It's like having a little bit of Angelo there at the end.