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If anything, I don't blame her for feeling that way. I blame it on the writing. If they are going to keep writing Bay and Emmett that way how can Vanessa or Sean or any of them really know what will happen? I understand Vanessa has had issues regarding Bay and Emmett, but I really think she's just basing the question and answer on what she is getting from the writing. If the writing is suggesting nothing more than a friendship and that's what Lizzy and the others are giving out, I don't know how she can expect more. Sure she can suggest they would be more, but lately the writing hasn't really given viewers much hope. They dangle the carrot and then pull it away. I can't fault Vanessa for not knowing where it's going. I don't think she debases true love. I think there were some great things she said about them being cosmically connected and them being meant to know each other. She, like us, is just waiting to see what will happen. And in the end, she can ship or not ship them all she wants. It's going to come down to what Lizzy wants and sees as Bay and Emmett's future. I don't know. I'd rather read stuff like this than false hope, for example Lizzy's "they are true love and true love never goes away" doesn't hold much water to me when you write them the way she writes them. I actually find that more insulting to fans. Don't feed me BS about how great they are and then pull what you pull. Also, it's not just Vanessa. Sean's been less vocal about Bay and Emmett too or rather less optimistic. Back during 1C when they were giving interviews he also said he pretty much had no idea where the writers would go or if he thought they should be together. He kept saying "It's up to the writers." I really can't blame them. Would it be awesome if they were excited and still all gung ho for Bay and Emmett? Sure, but from their standpoint, I could see how it would become frustrating to answer something they don't know how to answer. Last edited by Slayerfan714; 07-09-2013 at 04:48 PM |
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Based on the writing thus far, I don't see it that way. I see Emmett & Bay as still being meant for a romantic relationship. Of course, I can imagine a future for them where the cheating incident was just too much for Bay to ever overcome. That story could be told and painted very realistically. It almost has been told. But I just don't see that as where the writers are ultimately going. Vanessa can never say that Emmett & Bay are meant to be, because even if she knows that is the writers' intentions (and she probably doesn't), that would be giving away the story. But I don't like to hear her speculating that maybe they are just meant to be friends. It feels like she is rubbing salt in a wound, because I care. I would rather Vanessa say that she has no idea what the future holds for Emmett & Bay, than for her to say (that because Emmett & Bay were "just friends" in the AU) maybe that is what was always meant to be for them. Emmett & Bay were a lot more than friends in the AU where they had never been switched at all. Did Vanessa speculate about the meaning of that? And I do feel Vanessa is being more pessimistic than the writers. Ecce Mono presented us with a different (less confident) Bay, but I felt that her connection with Emmett was more than friendship in that episode. She called him a "hot Deaf guy" which indicated an attraction to him. He signed, "It's a date," to her, which is what she had said to him in the regular timeline when they first made plans together. He was coming to her house. She was busy learning to sign. It is true that Emmett & Bay did not have time to kiss in the AU, but they just met. I thought the implication was that both Emmett and Bay were attracted to each other and interested in each other romantically. I did not find Switched at Birth until after Emmett cheated. I came to the show through Netflix in August of 2012. So I never saw any pre-cheating interviews with Vanessa or any of the cast. I have heard that she spoke differently about Emmett & Bay before the cheating. Wish I could have been there to enjoy that! But every interview I have ever heard has Vanessa talking about how excited she is to have the most boyfriends of any character on the show. She also talks a lot about how good looking the men are on the show, and yes, they are nice looking. During the first couple of interviews, it was cute and funny to hear Vanessa excited. But after a while, it just gets old. To me, she is debasing love when she continues to focus on the number of boyfriends her character dates and their physical appearance. I could understand if her character never had a meaningful relationship, but she did. And it does feel, to me, like Vanessa is debasing love when she continues to ignore that aspect of her character. Emmett was important to Bay even if they do not end up together. He was more important than the friendship role to which she seems to be assigning him. I don't want false hope either, but I feel as though Lizzy Weiss has stayed true to her vision of "they are true love and true love never goes away." To me, the writing is giving every indication that Emmett & Bay are meant to be. That's why Vanessa's interviews bother me. |
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No, I don't see it that way, but I don't know what's been going on on the set is all I'm saying. I don't know what Lizzy has said to Vanessa or what others have said or what they are throwing out for her to think that.
I see Bay and Emmett as meant to be and more than friends, but I understand how it can come across differently especially when Weiss does certain things. VM said during the "Game On" table read, Lizzy was super excited to shove that script in her face before they actually did the table read, like really gleeful and that really rubbed me wrong. I think Vanessa was jarred by that a bit. Maybe I'm wrong and Lizzy still intends to stick to them being true love, but I feel a lot of bones have been thrown to the fans and they aren't really delivering. Maybe I'm just getting tired of waiting around for nothing. I'm not trying to be overly pessimistic or downplay Bay & Emmett's love, but I don't see them as respecting it. Honestly there really was no good reason to have him cheat. None. It was all for pure drama. Sure maybe they did really want to "test them" to make sure they were the be-all end-all meant to be couple, but test them like that? It was unnecessary. I do agree that Emmett was important to Bay even if they don't end up together. All I'm saying is if Vanessa is feeling that way, it's partially due to how Lizzy went about writing their fallout. Honestly if I were an actress and was happy with the pairing I was in and the creator was that hyped up on destroying them I probably couldn't believe in them either. In playing Bay, she has to get inside her head and feel every emotion Bay is feeling. I am just saying it's understandable why she would feel that Bay and Emmett are meant to be just friends or why she would rather them being just friends. I mean, really, who does that? It's one thing to write it in a script, but then to be all "Haha, bet you didn't think I'd do that," it just sends the wrong message. Like what can she do to top that mess? Will there just be more and more heartache for Bay and Emmett and their fans? I guess I don't see how she's stayed true to that vision, Amy. At this point, I really don't think she has. I'm sorry. I wish I could say differently, but who really knows what she intends to do? I truly thought they'd be back together in the end of 1C and then I was hoping 2A. Now we're in 2B. If she can give us an indication that it will happen soon, then fine. I'm all for it. But everyone keeps saying it's only the second season, it's too soon. If they get them back together now they'll just have to break them up again. No, not if you choose to not write them that way. Well, okay, when is it not too soon? We're not even renewed yet. There is no season 3 in the works. I mean, really. Maybe we'll get 5 seasons, but that's a big maybe. It is just starting to feel like they are going for the last minute thing here unfortunately. |
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Then, I thought it would happen all throughout Season 1C. And I especially thought it would happen in the Season 1C finale. Then, I thought it would happen in the Season 2A premiere. And I continued to believe it would happen in the "next" episode all the way up through "Drive in the Knife" which drove a knife in MY heart. That episode broke my heart. I actually jumped ship for a couple of days. So yeah, I understand how you feel. I look at how well the writers wrote when Emmett & Bay were a couple, and I do not understand why they do not continue that. Their banter was lovely. I adored "Starry Night" despite all their conflicts. Exploring their relationship is the single most fascinating thing the writers could do in my estimation. I can understand the breakup and even keeping them apart for a while, but I really hope they unite them with time to explore their relationship. So yeah, I understand how you are feeling. I do see so many signs that Emmett & Bay are meant to be, but ultimately, who knows what the writers will do. I'm going to try to go back to channeling your zen, Alyssa. I hope I don't lose interest in the show. |
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Aw. I feel bad now. Don't give up your passion for them, Amy! I haven't.
I do love Bay and Emmett and I do want to believe the writers love them and are building up this grand love story. It's just hard to keep believing when they are careless at times. I could have understood breaking Bay and Emmett up. Couples break up and take time apart. My issue is more the reasoning behind it and the way they went about it that sometimes gives me pause, you know? I just know Weiss in particular loves her secrets and has a penchant for shockers. I don't think I can take any more negative shockers when it comes to Bay and Emmett is really what I am saying. It just doesn't always inspire much confidence. However, with episodes like the What If and 1x09 with Daphne's vision, I truly believe they are saying Bay & Emmett are meant to be. My fear is will we get to see them live up to that? But I still love Bay and Emmett. I'll always love Bay and Emmett. And I don't want you to lose interest in the show or in them. It's just hard sometimes! I love how much you love them and how passionate you are about them. It's truly inspiring. Makes me believe in the goodness out there. So, don't let anything I said take that away from you or to heart. Bay and Emmett are the love story of this show. We all feel it. |
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I almost feel like Bay and Emmett kind of overshadowed the entire show, overshadowed the switch element and the Deaf culture element, so the show pushed back to 'correct' a problem, but when romance is reduced to this or that six episode guest star, its hard to stay engaged (creepy chef, really show?). Frankly, I love ebay, been rooting for them since that look way back in the pilot, and want them back together.
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For anyone who loves Emmett & Bay, I found the most beautiful fan fiction. I do not know who wrote it, but the figurative language is absolutely exquisite. I loved chapter one from the moment I read it. And when chapter 2 was posted today, I could not believe it is even better. It's difficult for me to take the heartache of the writers' decision to keep Emmett & Bay apart on the show. This fan fiction explains everything. It even explains that awful comment Emmett made to Bay at the end of Season 2A. I wish this writer could join the Switched at Birth staff. It's so easy to believe and have hope for Emmett & Bay, when I read this beautiful story: Here Is A Heart Chapter 1, a switched at birth fanfic | FanFiction |
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Gosh, just looking at this thread makes me happy. It's filled with beautiful gifs, pictures, and wonderful thinky thoughts!
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I think it very likely that they were concerned about that ship swamping the story as a whole - or at least the response of the audience - and what followed was retrenchment. Of course, this is all conjecture. We don't really have any way of knowing. TPTB move in mysterious ways You're right: they overshadow far more apart than they did together, after all that. Perhaps the writers really thought we would all pack our bags and disembark. But here we are still, and we can neither forget it, nor consign it to history. They really do have something magical. That said, I am still (as I have been for some time now) in the position of vacillating like mad between hope and belief, and despair and sadness, about the way things have been, and continue to be, written. Damn it, I want these two adorable, brilliantly matched young people together. And yes, I would like to be added. I have meant to say so often, but never got around to it. ETA: Ta for fic link. And to all for the interesting thoughts and comments in this thread. |
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It was and will always remain one of my favorite things about this show, that got broken and needs to be fixed. |
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I just don't know, if like you said, they expected it to work that well. But like you said, at this point it's just speculation. Really what do we know. I suppose it's always possible that they really are going for this incredibly long love story that beats the odds, but right now it feels like Bay & Emmett are squarely in the star crossed lovers TV trope, and we all know how those go. Quote:
I just want Bay and Emmett to have babies. And for them to have a completely blissful relationship from now on with no major fights. Maybe a spat or two about stupid silly things, but for the most part they seriously deserve a lifetime of laughter. I'll add you soon btw! |
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I would like to post it here on Fan Forum, because it has some thoughts about Emmett & Bay that I would like to share with all of you. (If it's not okay to post, Alyssa, please delete it, or let me know to delete it.) Here's the link (from earlier) to the fan fiction: Here Is A Heart Chapter 1, a switched at birth fanfic | FanFiction And here's my review: "Dead Poet's Society" is one of my favorite movies. In it, a character, a teacher, John Keating, shares these words with his students: |
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that fanfic you posted is so great! it's so beautifully written. i absolutely love it.
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Loved the fanfic, did you write it??
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