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Old 06-10-2016, 07:45 PM
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If they do get back together how do u want it happen ?
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:26 AM
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If they do get back together how do u want it happen ?
At first thought, it's difficult for me to imagine a satisfying way to bring Bay & Emmett back together. The writers annihilated them as a couple, when they did a hatchet job on Emmett's character.

Lately, my only hope comes from an old Jim Carrey - Kate Winslet movie, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. I thought of the film the moment Bay told Melody, "I wish I had never even met him."

Here's a description of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind from November 17, 2012 by Wael Khairy: (https://cinephilefix.wordpress.com/2...spotless-mind/)
Charlie Kauffman’s marvelous screenplay revolves around Joel (Jim Carrey), a soloist stuck in the repetitive formula of everyday life till he meets the spontaneously carefree Clementine (Kate Winslet). Their relationship escalates into a supposedly dead-end when he learns that she had him erased from her memory. Furious and confused, he contacts the inventor of this advanced process, Dr. Howard Mierzwaik (Tom Wilkinson). Out of sheer desperation he resorts to the only logical solution at the time, removing her from his memory as well. But as he re-experiences the passionate days of their earlier relationship, he falls in love with her all over again.

The film then takes a Hitchcockian turn and becomes a man-on-the run film, only this time the protagonists are running from an untouchable entity. They race from one memory to the next desperately escaping the inevitable erasing process. It’s one of the most original and fresh ideas ever shot on film. If you haven’t seen this modern masterpiece, I strongly suggest you stop reading at this point, as I will explore some of the film’s more thought provoking themes.

One of the philosophical questions this film asks is whether we are merely the sum of our memories or if there’s more to us than a summation of past experiences. Would erasing an incident from our micro-history do us any good? Would a woman erasing the memory of a rape make her happier or would removing the incident do more damage to her life than the actual incident itself? Hence, she wouldn’t have learned anything from it or become the stronger person she is today. Is ignorance indeed bliss?

The film ultimately arrives to the conclusion that no, having a spotless mind does not bring eternal sunshine. You may forget a past memory but you can’t forget the impulses, instincts and emotions that arose from that past incident. They are in some sense untouchable because they shape who we are. Take for example, the simultaneous subplot involving Mary (Kirsten Dunst) discovering that she had her love affair with Dr. Mierzwaik erased. She arrives to that discovery through her love to him. The weak link in Lacuna’s process is that it successfully erases memories but can’t erase feelings.

Another heartbreaking scene that explores the system’s imperfection is when Joel and Clementine finally bid farewell inside his head. She leans in and whispers, “Meet me in Montauk.” You see, the Clementine guiding his escape is merely a projection in Joel’s mind. She represents his will to hold on and he does so through what he knows of her spontaneous personality.

When they challenge the erasing process by hiding in childhood remembrances and other “off the map” memories, the escape route is always suggested by Clementine. Joel would never arrive to such conclusions himself, but he subconsciously asks himself what would Clementine do and acts upon it. So when she whispers that final line inside his head, what he’s really doing is implanting an impulse; something Lacuna can’t touch.

The film opens with a post-erasing scene. On Valentine Day, Joel feels the impulse of going to Montauk instead of working and there he meets Clementine. She too implanted that impulse during her erasing process and it’s such a beautiful encounter. That cold day on the beach, they fall for each other all over again. Both Joel and Clementine do in fact win at the end, implanting that impulse defeats the system in a final attempt of desperation.
In that “second” first encounter, it’s almost like a hidden magnetic force pulls them together. This is portrayed cinematically through brilliant use of music. Music plays when they talk and pauses when they pause. Joel and Clementine click in a disguised coincidence, a natural encounter.

In another simultaneous subplot, Patrick, one of the Lacuna technicians, uses the dialogue he knows from Joel and Clementine’s real initial encounter to sweep her off her feet. The plan backfires on him and only fuels her confusion and anger. I believe that we as human beings have an uncanny ability to detect bull**** and truth in words. We think spoken words is the only way of communicating but there’s an invisible energy that comes from body language, the way we say things, and the way we look at a person that tells us if there’s any truth in what is being communicated. This energy is something beyond what we hear or see; it’s something we feel, a feeling of truth.

My favorite scene in the film is when they’re stuck in their first memory, which is also the last memory they helplessly witness getting erased. Both characters recite some of the dialogue of his memory, but occasionally, Joel becomes self aware, looks at Clementine and pours out his commentary thoughts. As they sit in front of the ocean, she looks at him and says, “This is it Joel, it’s gonna be gone soon.” A sad smile eclipses his face when he replies, “I know.” But it’s the last exchange that really hit the mark with me. “What do we do?” she asks. To which he replies, “Enjoy it.” Joel gives up fighting instantly and chooses to enjoy the little time they have left together and it’s utterly heartbreaking.

Ironically, this reminded me of one of my childhood memories with my dad who’s a doctor of nuclear medicine; it’s when they use nuclear energy in a positive way to cure cancer. I remember when he told me that not all cancer patients choose to fight the disease and there’s nothing he can do about that, it’s their call. As a young kid, I couldn’t get that through my head. It just seemed inconceivable at the time. Whatever reasons they may have, I think it’s their right to do so. Whether it’s never-ending surgeries that constantly fail or hectic chemotherapy that leaves them miserable in their potential last days, it’s their right to let go and enjoy the little time they have left in this world.

Letting go is one of the hardest things a person can do. It doesn’t mean they’re giving up, it means they’re moving on. We hold on to things we value as if they will cease to exist when we let go. The truth is they won’t. Letting go or giving up isn’t an act of cowardice; quite often it’s an act of supreme bravery. “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” tells us to accept things as they are and make the most of what we have when all hope is lost.

I remember seeing my dad sitting on the living room couch as he watched the news. He’s one of the most positive and cheerful people I know and it often puzzled me knowing what he does for a living. I asked him if dealing with dying people on a daily basis is a depressing job. He replied something along the lines of “We tend to keep a lighthearted environment at the hospital.” When I asked him if breaking the bad news is the worst part of his job, he told me that it was, but every once in a while he breaks out great news and it makes it all worth it. The ups and down of life apply everywhere. In the case of this film, it’s in a relationship. As Joel discovers throughout his mental journey, the ups are sometimes worth all the downs.

“Tears, idle tears, I know not what they mean, Tears from the depths of some divine despair Rise in the heart, and gather to the eyes, In looking on the happy autumn fields, And thinking of the days that are no more.” – Alfred Tennyson

After a break up, the very memories you once cherished, the ones that drew a smile on your face whenever you remembered them seem non-existent. That’s probably due to the recently bad incident towering and blocking all things wonderful from your thoughts. I think it’s an act of self-preservation to let the bad memories stick and allow great ones to slip through our fingers. It makes moving on easier.

“Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by And that has made all the difference.” – Robert Frost

After Joel and Clementine learn they’ve had their memories erased because things just didn’t work out, they somehow choose to travel that same road again anyway. I think it’s a perfect ending to a perfect film. As we’re so often told, it’s about the journey not the destination. They know what is waiting at the end of that road and they choose to walk through it anyway. The journey has been erased and therefore, they choose to re-experience it. Perhaps it’s to arrive at that conclusion because that’s the only way they’ll understand the nature of their previous destination. Or maybe, they share a tiny ounce of mutual hope. After all, they know the pitfalls and hidden traps on that road from listening to their Lacuna tapes. Dodging them is all that needs to be done to arrive at a different destination. This is precisely how second chances are meant to be taken.

Whenever, I watch this film it steers my eyes away from the empty half of the glass of water and makes me acknowledge that there’s a full half right below. For that very reason, I’m eternally grateful for its existence.
In retrospect, Joel realizes that his relationship with Clementine is one of the most important things in his life. Despite the fact that he sees flaws in her, he is willing to overlook them. Even after listening to a tape of her listing his worst flaws, he still wants to be in a relationship with her.
"It would be different....If we could just have another go around....Remember me....Try your best....Maybe we can."
The experience of having his memories erased allowed Joel to survey his relationship and realize the beautiful times outweigh the flaws. That's what I hope for Bay to realize about Emmett, but without a memory-erasing apparatus, I am not sure how she might arrive at such a place. She doesn't even have her box of memories to remind her of the good times with Emmett.

What the writers of Switched at Birth did, by reversing all of the iconic Bay & Emmett moments, is very much like a memory-erasing apparatus. But the writers didn't leave one of their iconic moments untouched, for Bay and Emmett to return, as a touchstone.

For Bay & Emmett, there is no "Meet me in Montauk," but still, I hope that Bay & Emmett's impulses, instincts, and emotions will somehow lead them both to return to Blue River Road.

And like Joel & Clementine, I hope Bay & Emmett will decide to enjoy it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:19 PM
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I guess we have to see what happens
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:20 PM
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I guess we have to see what happens
Yeah. I don't have high hopes, unfortunately.

Unlike any other TV series I have ever watched, I get the strongest feeling that the Switched at Birth showrunner resents certain groups of fans. From her tone, she seems exasperated with us, even when she is giving away props.

In the past, as soon as she expressed her irritation toward a group of fans on social media, that storyline would take a bad turn.

For some reason, I think she resented Bay and Emmett fans most of all. I always felt like we were the bane of her existence. It seemed she suffered greatly trying to tolerate us and was never successful.

I feel apologetic for liking Bay and Emmett, as if I am doing something that would anger her greatly. Lately, whenever anyone has the boldness to tag her in a tweet about Bay and Emmett, I cringe. I feel strongly that it's like fingernails on a chalkboard for her.

That's sad to me, because she created them. I wish things had been different.
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Like I don't know why she wrote the way she did I just don't get that .
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Old 06-19-2016, 03:03 PM
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Like I don't know why she wrote the way she did I just don't get that .
Me either.

I've said this already, but the writers had a literal gift from the gods, when they paired Bay and Emmett together.

That kind of chemistry and charisma is so rare on film. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, for most showrunners and producers.

Lizzy Weiss and Paul Stupin had it in the palm of their hand, and they threw it all away like it was garbage.

It was a gift from the gods. I kid you not. That kind of magic doesn't happen very often. To annihilate it is unbelievable.

I miss Bay & Emmett.
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Old 06-19-2016, 10:05 PM
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I agree and you couldn't duplicate with any other couple
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Old 06-26-2016, 06:50 AM
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I agree and you couldn't duplicate with any other couple
No, you couldn't.

The showrunner's decision to annhilate Bay & Emmett, and really, abandon Emmett's character altogether, is my biggest disappointment in all my years of enjoying fiction.

No other story turn has ever been as unsatisfying to me.

It's heartbreaking, but not in a cathartic way. Nothing is cleansed or purified by this decision. Instead the story feels sullied. I sense the showrunner's bitterness and disdain.

Writers recruit, seduce, beguile us into their world. Only then do we trust them to take us on a journey. The writers of Switched at Birth abandoned that journey, and they were not even honest about the decision. I feel betrayed. The writers threw out just enough bread crumbs to make viewers believe the story would continue, but ultimately, it was the old bait-and-switch.

We were promised one story and received another.

Bay and Emmett are still beautiful, though. I still believe in their love. It's the writers who abandoned their story, not the fans.
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Old 06-28-2016, 05:32 PM
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We need to start talking about some of their positives..

One of my favorites about them is that they were hearing and deaf, very different yet very similar. I loved how Bay learned some serious ASL for Emmett.
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We need to start talking about some of their positives.. One of my favorites about them is that they were hearing and deaf, very different yet very similar. I loved how Bay learned some serious ASL for Emmett.
I like that too
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I like that too
This story reminds me so much of Bay & Emmett. I like that Bay is hearing and Emmett is Deaf, too. It's nice to have differences, like the couple in this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/fa...UDDEVGate&_r=1
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This story reminds me so much of Bay & Emmett. I like that Bay is hearing and Emmett is Deaf, too. It's nice to have differences, like the couple in this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/fa...UDDEVGate&_r=1
Yeah that was such a good read to me
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Yeah that was such a good read to me
Stories like that one give me hope.
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I just really miss the in-depth stories that Bay and Emmett had before, I loved the drama and the intrigue of them without all of the heavy duty crap against them, let them have some family problems and be there for each other, or hell, let Bay's anyuresm become a serious reality and let them deal with possible outcomes of that. They work well together, not apart.
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