AnneH

it's not just you. it bothers me too.

Slayerfan714

Yeah.

Oh well. I guess we should just go with it.

But it sometimes feel like we miss chunks of conversations. Like Bay didn't want Daphne to know about Ty cheating and then we have her telling Daphne she's been cheated on two -- maybe three -- times. Why the maybe. Is she doubting it? And when was she even talking to Daphne about this?

These are the little things that drive me nuts. I don't like feeling like I'm missing the narrative.

AnneH

yes! she was so adamant that no one know. but now daphne knows? does kathryn know now too? does regina?

it's sloppy and i feel like that didn't used to happen? like they are skipping over things a lot more than they ever have before.

the writing used to be tighter.

ollibear

That doesn't bother me at all. I interpret it that Emmett can find NO other reason why they are not together other than the fact that Bay won't let it go. I believe Emmett feels as though his entire being has been written off by Bay and filed under the category of "cheater," and because of this, she is not willing to see him as anything other than a friend.

So no, Bay has not yelled out the word "cheater" every time she has seen Emmett on screen. But just like she said to Daphne in the beginning of this episode, every time she has seen Emmett she has told herself, "Resist the temptation. You'll only get burned." And Emmett knows it, too. From Emmett's perspective, Bay might as well have been screaming it, for all the times she resisted and walked (or drove) away from him.

But for me, Emmett's words at the star party have less to do with how Bay sees him (or has seen him) and more to do with how he sees himself when he is with her. And no, that is not Bay's fault. If Bay had been able to accept his love again, it certainly may have helped Emmett to forgive himself. But ultimately, it is his responsibility to forgive himself, and he is not there yet. I believe that is why Emmett told Bay she keeps throwing it at him, because every time Bay is not in his arms, he blames himself.

It's nice to hear all sides of an issue, because a lot of the time I am still forming my opinions.

I have a really difficult time understanding how Bay could not allow Emmett back into her heart. There is no way I could have "closed the door" on a love like the one that they share, at least not over something like what Emmett did.

One thing nice, as I re-watched the most recent episode several times today, I have realized that when the song plays at the end, Bay is accepting for herself that Emmett is (and always has been) the one who really loves her.

I agree about Bay's feelings running ocean deep for Emmett. Sometimes I fear the writers don't see it the way that I do, though. Oh, how I hope they do, or otherwise, I will be eternally disappointed in their story.

As for the EmmettandBay thing, I can understand people being angry at one or the other of them at any given time, but like you, if someone truly does not like one half of the ship, then that is a lack of faith in the ship as a whole. As you said, it is as if one character's sole purpose for being is to make the other one happy, and that doesn't feel like a ship at all.

It will be interesting to see what happens between Bay and Emmett throughout the rest of this mini-season. My fear is that they will have no more scenes together until the finale. Or even worse, they might not even mention one another until the finale.

I find myself hoping that somehow Bay will see reminders of what she shared with Emmett in the coming episodes. But what if the only thing that the writers give us are moments where Bay remembers what she shared with Ty OR moments where she bonds with Tank?

If Bay has no thoughts of Emmett whatsoever in the upcoming 6 or 7 episodes, then I don't even know what to say.

AnneH

this is a good point.

i actually do have a fear they won't have many scenes together until the end of 3a too. i really hope they not, but that's how it seems to go lately.

ollibear

Another thing that is very similar in nature is when Emmett says he does not remember Bay's artwork for Ty. He freaked out and stormed out of her bedroom over that artwork. How could he not remember it? Is it sloppy writing, or are we supposed to assume that Emmett said he didn't remember it to check on Bay's current feelings for Ty?

That one bothers me even more than Bay telling Daphne that possibly three boyfriends have cheated on her. At least with that, I can imagine that they had a conversation where she told Daphne about Ty's cheating. This other one over Bay's artwork is just too confusing. Surely the writers must know where that piece of art comes from, so why in the world would they have Emmett say he does not remember it?

AnneH

yes that too! that bothered me as well. i don't believe he would forget.

Slayerfan714

I can certainly see it from this perspective and it does make sense. So, thank you. I do find it helps me to form my opinions, too.

Agreed; it does seem to be more about how he perceives himself. And no, it's not on Bay to help Emmett restore his image, but it would of course be nice it it helped him. Like you said, ultimately it is up to Emmett to decide how he feels about himself and for his own sake, to let it go so he won't be feeling like he isn't good enough around her.


Yes, that and I sometimes even change my opinion, too.

Ah, see to me I don't think she has ever let him out of her heart or even closed the door, not completely. I've always seen it as a struggle for her and part of her arc. I think this episode telegraphed how scared she is to lose him and when she alluded to wanting another chance at the end (I've noticed some people think it is as friends but I don't) I think it was her finally being brave enough to let Emmett know, even in a roundabout way, that she isn't giving up on them.

I don't think Bay has ever stopped loving Emmett. That hasn't been the issue. I think the issue has been if she has faith in them and herself and him and if that faith is enough to quell the fear of getting burned.

But I get having a difficult time understanding it. Even though (to me) Bay hasn't closed the door, she hasn't gotten back together with him as of yet.

That's true.

Me, too.

Oh, I can definitely understand being pissed at one or both, but yeah. I don't think a character, even one you hate, should only exist for another character's happiness.

It will be interesting and I have that fear too.

I really am hoping if they don't interact, they at least are thinking about each other.

That was bothersome and confusing.

The writing did used to be tighter than this. It does feel as though details are slipping their minds.

AnneH

Slayerfan714

The. Feels.

Their children will be beautiful.

AnneH

i kind of love how she hesitates in that second gif. she know what she's implying about them in the future and she wants them to have another chance. <3

Slayerfan714

She's finally saying it! And letting go.

AnneH

now we just have to take care of this ty business. and whatever is happening with mandy.

ollibear

I actually think the Ty business is taken care of. Even if his secret comes out, I believe Bay already made her decision when she deleted his e-mail. I will be surprised if her character entertains any more thoughts about rekindling a romance with him. I do believe Bay has closed the door on Ty.

It is possible that Emmett may not feel worthy of Bay, if Ty's secret comes out, though. I hate that.

You know what I love? I love the moment when Emmett closes his locker and sees Bay's face, larger than life, right before him. I am not sure if that moment was scripted, or if it was a decision of the director, but to me, it is a perfect moment.

Emmett is so deeply in love with Bay. He is so head-over-heels enraptured by her. I do believe that is the way Emmett sees Bay. It is as if he is walking through his life, and at any given moment, there she is.

At every given moment, there she is.

This time, the audience was able to experience that, through Emmett's eyes. Bay is ever-present in his life. Bay haunts Emmett. Everywhere he goes, she is there. Sometimes, as in this case, Bay is literally there. But even when Bay is only there figuratively, Emmett sees her. Bay is always with him.

I love that.

Slayerfan714

Yes!! That is a great moment for sure.

He is so deeply in love with her and she's always with them.

I love it too, that he sees her that way; that she haunts him. It's such a powerful love.