[SaB-Lover:)]

Originally Posted by Wes&FredFan (View Post) You'd never know that Regina and Melody were ever good friends. They were supposed to be best friends. They've dropped so many integral relationships that it's gotten stale now ... simply because they focus on the girls' relationships with these characters who are only there for one season, if that.

They give up way too fast on very interesting story lines. I really get frustrated when they manufacture all these guest stars and put so much time into them, when the main character's relationships are lacking.

[Wes&FredFan]

IMO, Mingo is supposed to be a sub-in for Wilke. Any viewer starting to watch would have no real clue as to who these people are really friends with. I was glad that Bay said that she'd forgotten about her friends - seems like the writers had too.

[ollibear]

Originally Posted by Wes&FredFan (View Post) IMO, Mingo is supposed to be a sub-in for Wilke. Any viewer starting to watch would have no real clue as to who these people are really friends with. I was glad that Bay said that she'd forgotten about her friends - seems like the writers had too.

Lizzy Weiss said as much in an interview. She said that the writers realized how popular the character of Wilke is with fans, and so they had that in mind when they created Mingo, but then, they developed him further, to explore his own unique, style of Mingo-ness.

I feel that the writers are trying to prepare Daphne, through a series of experiences with a variety of men, to recognize her one true love, when he comes along.

I suspect the writers will pair Daphne off with someone more permanent than Mingo, eventually, if the show continues. Mingo feels like one of Daphne's mistakes along the way. He is not a bad mistake. Mingo is a good guy. It just seems as though Mingo's purpose in Daphne's life is to teach her some lesson about herself, and not to be her life partner.

Originally Posted by Wes&FredFan (View Post) You'd never know that Regina and Melody were ever good friends. They were supposed to be best friends. They've dropped so many integral relationships that it's gotten stale now ... simply because they focus on the girls' relationships with these characters who are only there for one season, if that.

Regina and Melody shared a meaningful scene together, when Regina visited UMKC, after Bay was raped. And they had a scene together at the beginning of Season 4A, after Regina gave Melody all of that money to open the satellite campus at UMKC. Regina was there for Melody when she went through that difficult time with Chef Jeff and as she lamented about the difficulties of dating again, after Cameron. And Melody was there for Regina when she was lost as to how to handle Angelo's new baby with Lana.

Melody wasn't there for Regina when Angelo sent her to a facility for her alcoholism, though, but maybe that is realistic that Regina would rely more on family in that situation than on her good friend. I still remember the scene during the uprising at Carlton, and even though they stood outside of the school together, Melody (and John and Kathryn) seemed clueless that Regina had started drinking again.

One thing that I would like to see addressed between Melody and Regina is whether or not Melody has really been able to put aside her bitterness over Regina not being able to sign any longer.

At one time, Melody accused Regina of not really trying. Does Melody regret that stance now? Does Melody accept that there really and truly is nothing that Regina can do about it?

I assume that Melody does accept that, but it would be nice to see the two characters discuss it again, now, a couple of years later. I would like to learn how Regina has come to terms with it, and how Regina feels it has affected her relationship with Daphne (and with her best friend Melody).

Plus, I would like to see a scene where Melody visits The Cracked Mug this season. We probably won't see that, but in real life, I would think that Melody would visit her friend, in her new business venture. And I would like to see Melody size up Eric. Melody, like Emmett, has always seemed like a super perceptive character on the show. I want to know Melody's opinion of this new man in Regina's life.

But we probably won't see that.

More than anything, I wish we would meet Baby Boy Bledsoe. I'm sure he has been born. Couldn't a character on the show even mention him in passing, to recognize the milestone of his birth?

Sometimes I feel as though I am a failure as a fan to Switched at Birth. It feels as though the writers want me to care about the Kennish and Vasquez families most of all (and I do like them), but my heart belongs to the Bledsoe family.

I recognize that the Bledsoe family is an after-thought to the writers, but it is NOT to me.

I have seen families similar to John, Kathryn, Toby, and Bay, and Regina and Daphne, on TV. I have never seen a family like Melody (and Gabe) and Cameron and Debbie and Emmett. THAT'S the family that mesmerizes me.

I want to know all of the details about the Bledsoes. I want to see everything play out in their lives. It feels as though the writers keep trying to point me in the direction of the Kennish and the Vasquez families, and I keep breaking away to try to ferret out more information on the Bledsoe family.

Emmett, Melody and Gabe, Cameron and Debbie (and even Olivia), are all so fascinating to me. I wish I could see Emmett with his little brother.

I wish Emmett was still in KC to be a friend to Toby as he becomes a dad.

It seems like all of the good stuff is going to fall to Travis, and I am not as interested in Travis, as I am in Emmett.

I wonder if Travis will share some scenes with Toby this season. They've been friends since Travis's early days at the car wash. Will Travis cement his bond with Toby, as Toby becomes a new dad?

It will be interesting to see what the writers do with that relationship. Toby reached out to Emmett, when he realized Bay's feelings for him were sincere. Will Toby reach out more to Travis, in the same way?

As much as Toby has on his plate, it's still possible. Toby has his two sisters, but he could benefit from a guy friend, as well.

[Forwood4Bamon]

I don't like how many people daphnes dated.

[Slayerfan714]

I don't want to post this on the episode thread, but I'll post it here. I understand people have strong feelings about what happened with Bay/Tank. I know I do. I’m not here to talk about that.

As a disclaimer, I should say, I don’t like Tank. I never have. And I really don’t feel that sorry for him. It sucks that he got expelled, but beyond that, I don’t feel sorry for him.

It bugs me when people want Bay to take responsibility and own her mistakes but don’t expect the same of Tank. Tank is a guy who was dating a girl for two seconds and literally made a decision based upon this relationship….without consulting Bay. And then Bay breaks up with him and…..she suddenly owes him? Oh, I forgot she cheated on him. To me, it’s a moot point because she was going to dump him anyway. Maybe she would have stayed with him a little longer, but be real, her foot was already halfway out that door. Yeah, she could have been faithful and just broken up with him, but the end result would have still been the same: he would be out of his frat and dumped.

This is not about what happened at the dorm party. I want to be clear. My gripe is not about that. My gripe is about Tank making a decision on his own and then using it as justification to hold it over Bay’s head when she breaks up with him. That is not okay. Once again, that is manipulative and it’s abusive.

I was here when Emmett cheated and people gave him crap about it, but believe me, not I nor anyone else I was close to on here wanted Emmett to be punished by being emotionally manipulated into a relationship he didn’t want to be in. Even now, I wouldn’t want that for Emmett. Nobody deserves that.

Bay did not owe Tank a place to live. She did not owe it to him to fix his relationship with his dad because his estrangement was not on Bay.

I literally LOL’d when Tank goes “you brainwashed me.”

Oh, Tank. Take several seats. Are you twelve? If she is putting down your frat, then man up. Say I don’t care if you hate them. I mean, not for nothing, but his frat was gross. Nevertheless, Tank had three options. Stay in his frat, break up with Bay, or leave his frat. He chose to leave. His decision. Sorry the fallout didn’t work in his favor, but that’s a chance you take sometimes.

For the record, Bay told Tank she wouldn’t date someone who belonged to a frat like that minutes after she found out her good friend was going to be humiliated. I can’t say I would have reacted differently. And then he came to her and told her anonymously called to complain about the party.

Feel however you want to feel about Bay, but not all of Tank’s problems are on her shoulders.

[lavitaebella]

^I agree with that entire post! The only difference is that I actually liked Tank in he beginning, but that changed when everything happened with his frat....

Much like we haven't seen Emmet and Daphne being friends lately, we haven't seen Regina and Melody being friends, either. I wish we could see more scenes between Regina and Melody. It seems like the writers just drop significant storylines, not that this is the first show to do so!

It actually look me several minutes to remember who BB Bledsoe is, whoops.... I think since the show is about the two girls and their families, and since Emmet probably isn't going to be on the show much, if at all (since him and Bay are done and and he's not really friends with Daphne anymore), I doubt we'll learn anything about the baby.

Personally, I like the Kennish and Vasquez families more, and I think introducing another family into the mix would be way too many cast members IMO. And there are already a lot of people.

I'm sorry if anything I've written in this post comes off as negative or rude, that was not my intention at all!

[nailpolishchick2]

Originally Posted by Slayerfan714 (View Post) It bugs me when people want Bay to take responsibility and own her mistakes but don’t expect the same of Tank.

I never said that. I expect Tank to take responsibility for his bad choices and bad judgments just as I expect Bay to. Only difference in this is. Bay made a really STUPID choice by going to that investigator lady. She has every right in the world to feel how she feels YES, she was not expecting to wind up in bed with Tank, it really surprised her and she didn't like it. However, you have GOT to have some common sense and determine who is the best person to talk about this. This issue is a HOT TOPIC and all the investigators are about is determining whether or not a crime was committed here. That was it! They do not care if you had a bad night. Bay should of said one thing to that woman.. "We both made bad choices, we were drunk and there was a misunderstanding but but make no mistake, there was no crime committed in that room, he did NOT take advantage of me, PERIOD end of story." After saying that, she should of determined who was better to talk to about this. A therapist or that investigator. She needed counseling to help her come to terms with this. I'm beyond annoyed that her parents dropped the ball on that, you can't go through that much trauma and have it not effect you. Tank is no angel in this but I did not see him playing with Bay's life and college career by going to someone who might as well be a judge in a court of law, they have your fate in your hands and it's sometimes better to just say nothing to protect the people you love/care about. Tank was expelled because of Bay, because she did not keep her mouth shut. I love Bay but she really fouled up there. There is NO taking that interview back. It's done.

[Slayerfan714]

Originally Posted by nailpolishchick2 (View Post) I never said that. I expect Tank to take responsibility for his bad choices and bad judgments just as I expect Bay to. Only difference in this is. Bay made a really STUPID choice by going to that investigator lady. She has every right in the world to feel how she feels YES, she was not expecting to wind up in bed with Tank, it really surprised her and she didn't like it. However, you have GOT to have some common sense and determine who is the best person to talk about this. This issue is a HOT TOPIC and all the investigators are about is determining whether or not a crime was committed here. That was it! They do not care if you had a bad night. Bay should of said one thing to that woman.. "We both made bad choices, we were drunk and there was a misunderstanding but but make no mistake, there was no crime committed in that room, he did NOT take advantage of me, PERIOD end of story." After saying that, she should of determined who was better to talk to about this. A therapist or that investigator. She needed counseling to help her come to terms with this. I'm beyond annoyed that her parents dropped the ball on that, you can't go through that much trauma and have it not effect you. Tank is no angel in this but I did not see him playing with Bay's life and college career by going to someone who might as well be a judge in a court of law, they have your fate in your hands and it's sometimes better to just say nothing to protect the people you love/care about. Tank was expelled because of Bay, because she did not keep her mouth shut. I love Bay but she really fouled up there. There is NO taking that interview back. It's done.

I wasn't even talking about the investigation when I made that statement. As I said in my post, it has nothing to do with that. My issue is people want to talk about how Bay ruined Tank's life and they throw in him leaving his frat for her and having no place to live, which is bs. And I keep seeing that being brought up lately. People want to saddle Bay with that baggage, Tank no longer in a frat because he made a decision based on their relationship without consulting her? That's not fair. Ever since the rape storyline happened, people have alluded to Tank being Bay's victim because of all the crimes committed against him by her.

Like...she got him kicked out of his frat. That is revisionist history. Tank and only Tank should be held responsible for that decision. Tank is the one who decided to de-pledge.

That's the issue I was discussing.

[nailpolishchick2]

Originally Posted by Slayerfan714 (View Post) I wasn't even talking about the investigation when I made that statement. As I said in my post, it has nothing to do with that. My issue is people want to talk about how Bay ruined Tank's life and they throw in him leaving his frat for her and having no place to live, which is bs. And I keep seeing that being brought up lately. People want to saddle Bay with that baggage, Tank no longer in a frat because he made a decision based on their relationship without consulting her? That's not fair. Ever since the rape storyline happened, people have alluded to Tank being Bay's victim because of all the crimes committed against him by her. Like...she got him kicked out of his frat. That is revisionist history. Tank and only Tank should be held responsible for that decision. Tank is the one who decided to de-pledge. That's the issue I was discussing.

That fraternity issue was all on Tank, that's not Bay's fault as to regards to that situation. He made the choice to get out, that's on him.

[Slayerfan714]

Originally Posted by nailpolishchick2 (View Post) That fraternity issue was all on Tank, that's not Bay's fault as to regards to that situation. He made the choice to get out, that's on him.

Yes, exactly. That is all I meant.

But I keep seeing statements like "Tank is estranged from his dad because he left the fraternity....and that is all Bay's fault." Okay. Sure. Blame that on Bay, too. It's like wtf? That would be the equivalent of people blaming Emmett if Bay had made it to Mexico and got mugged. Literally the two situations have no correlation to each other. Bay cheating on Tank isn't what made him leave the frat and even if she hadn't, he still would have left.

I get people being conflicted over the rape story. I don't get people thinking Bay is responsible for choices Tank made on his own though.

[nailpolishchick2]

Originally Posted by Slayerfan714 (View Post) Yes, exactly. That is all I meant. But I keep seeing statements like "Tank is estranged from his dad because he left the fraternity....and that is all Bay's fault." Okay. Sure. Blame that on Bay, too. It's like wtf? That would be the equivalent of people blaming Emmett if Bay had made it to Mexico and got mugged. Literally the two situations have no correlation to each other. Bay cheating on Tank isn't what made him leave the frat and even if she hadn't, he still would have left. I get people being conflicted over the rape story. I don't get people thinking Bay is responsible for choices Tank made on his own though.

Tank is at fault for being estranged with his father right now. He made the choice to drop that fraternity.

[Slayerfan714]

Originally Posted by nailpolishchick2 (View Post) Tank is at fault for being estranged with his father right now. He made the choice to drop that fraternity.

Right. Exactly.

I just think the show has been "poor Tank-ing" it ever since he came on and I just cannot with that crap. The worst was when he got pissy at Bay not wanting to have sex with him. I even saw comments saying Bay sounded flippant about it. If she sounded flippant, maybe it’s because he thought the only reason suitable for not wanting to have sex is that she must be a virgin. He also got grossly defensive. I don’t care how hurt you are. If someone denies you sex, you back the hell off. Do not make them feel guilty, do not turn it around on them. And he did. “You’re acting like I’m some kind of sex machine.” No, you dumb ass. She is not. She told you she didn’t want to have sex and you throw a pity party for yourself. Tip: no one has to give you a reason for not wanting to have sex. Then he throws that condescending line at her “I forget you’re still in high school.” Ew.

I don't know. The more people defend Tank, the more I want to defend Bay. I can understand people thinking Tank got a raw deal with the investigation, but I take issue with people pretending like Bay was the only one to mess up in their relationship and that his screw ups are forgotten because of what happened. I'm not here for white washing Tank tbh.

But I knew that would happen with this story. Sometimes I think it would have been better for Tank to not get expelled but for Bay to say: "I don't think I was in the right mind to give consent, but I believe you thought I was. However, while you may not have done something criminal or punishable by law, you crossed a moral line, and I don't want to be friends with someone who would sleep with me when I was like that. So, I don't want you expelled or thrown in jail, but I really want nothing to do with you."

But even then, I'm sure people would think Bay was being a bitch and once again, breaking poor wittle Tank's heart. IMO, he did cross a moral line. And if I were Bay, I wouldn't have wanted to stay friends after that.

[ollibear]

Originally Posted by Slayerfan714 (View Post) Right. Exactly. I just think the show has been "poor Tank-ing" it ever since he came on and I just cannot with that crap. The worst was when he got pissy at Bay not wanting to have sex with him. I even saw comments saying Bay sounded flippant about it. If she sounded flippant, maybe it’s because he thought the only reason suitable for not wanting to have sex is that she must be a virgin. He also got grossly defensive. I don’t care how hurt you are. If someone denies you sex, you back the hell off. Do not make them feel guilty, do not turn it around on them. And he did. “You’re acting like I’m some kind of sex machine.” No, you dumb ass. She is not. She told you she didn’t want to have sex and you throw a pity party for yourself. Tip: no one has to give you a reason for not wanting to have sex. Then he throws that condescending line at her “I forget you’re still in high school.” Ew. I don't know. The more people defend Tank, the more I want to defend Bay. I can understand people thinking Tank got a raw deal with the investigation, but I take issue with people pretending like Bay was the only one to mess up in their relationship and that his screw ups are forgotten because of what happened. I'm not here for white washing Tank tbh. But I knew that would happen with this story. Sometimes I think it would have been better for Tank to not get expelled but for Bay to say: "I don't think I was in the right mind to give consent, but I believe you thought I was. However, while you may not have done something criminal or punishable by law, you crossed a moral line, and I don't want to be friends with someone who would sleep with me when I was like that. So, I don't want you expelled or thrown in jail, but I really want nothing to do with you." But even then, I'm sure people would think Bay was being a bitch and once again, breaking poor wittle Tank's heart. IMO, he did cross a moral line. And if I were Bay, I wouldn't have wanted to stay friends after that.

No, no, no! How could anyone think Bay was being a bitch for that? Bay has every right to feel that way.

The part that I bolded is absolutely what I would have liked to have seen happen, although I feel Bay is due some righteous anger, too. You did not make Bay's indignation harsh enough. If Tank did to me what he did to Bay, I would be so pissed at him. And I would let him know it, too. I would let Tank royally know it.

That's what bothers me the most about Tank's expulsion. It is as if it took away Bay's right to be angry at Tank for taking advantage of the situation. Just his line, "I know you probably think it was a mistake, but I always wanted it to happen," is SO condescending.

I do think these policies and laws are unfair, and in no way do I believe Tank should be labeled a sex offender for life and have his entire future destroyed. For our society to allow that to happen to a young man who is only 21 or 22 years old, in this particular situation, well, that just sits wrong with me. There is a difference between what Tank did and between a person who has sex with someone who is passed out. It's not the same thing.

But as much as I do not believe the next 80 years of Tank's life should be destroyed for what he did on that one night, I do believe Bay has a right to be livid with him.

I have thought Bay had a right to be angry at Tank each and every time he was manipulative with her. For instance, Bay should have been angry with Tank, when he guilt-tripped her for not wanting to have sex, and when he guilt-tripped her for talking to Emmett after learning Ty didn't cheat, and when he guilt-tripped her after she broke up with him.

Bay NEVER should have gone to dinner with Tank and his dad. Why on earth did Bay feel ANY loyalty to Tank? Her loyalty should have been to herself and to Emmett, but NOT to Tank.

The only thing I can figure out is that Bay felt so guilty about cheating that she gave over her life to making amends for it.

I wish that Bay had not been ashamed of her choice to choose Emmett over Tank, and it feels as though she was. I wish Bay had owned that choice and proclaimed to the world, "This is who I am and if you have a problem with it, well, that's your problem."

When Tank says to Bay, "Just so I know, was it the army guy who lied about cheating on you? Or was it Emmett? Who actually did. (Scoffs) I am such an idiot," he makes Bay feel ashamed of her choice.

I want Bay to grow enough that no one can make her feel ashamed for choosing what is right for her.

[Slayerfan714]

Originally Posted by ollibear (View Post) No, no, no! How could anyone think Bay was being a bitch for that? Bay has every right to feel that way. The part that I bolded is absolutely what I would have liked to have seen happen, although I feel Bay is due some righteous anger, too. You did not make Bay's indignation harsh enough. If Tank did to me what he did to Bay, I would be so pissed at him. And I would let him know it, too. I would let Tank royally know it. That's what bothers me the most about Tank's expulsion. It is as if it took away Bay's right to be angry at Tank for taking advantage of the situation. Just his line, "I know you probably think it was a mistake, but I always wanted it to happen," is SO condescending. I do think these policies and laws are unfair, and in no way do I believe Tank should be labeled a sex offender for life and have his entire future destroyed. For our society to allow that to happen to a young man who is only 21 or 22 years old, in this particular situation, well, that just sits wrong with me. There is a difference between what Tank did and between a person who has sex with someone who is passed out. It's not the same thing. But as much as I do not believe the next 80 years of Tank's life should be destroyed for what he did on that one night, I do believe Bay has a right to be livid with him. I have thought Bay had a right to be angry at Tank each and every time he was manipulative with her. For instance, Bay should have been angry with Tank, when he guilt-tripped her for not wanting to have sex, and when he guilt-tripped her for talking to Emmett after learning Ty didn't cheat, and when he guilt-tripped her after she broke up with him. Bay NEVER should have gone to dinner with Tank and his dad. Why on earth did Bay feel ANY loyalty to Tank? Her loyalty should have been to herself and to Emmett, but NOT to Tank. The only thing I can figure out is that Bay felt so guilty about cheating that she gave over her life to making amends for it. I wish that Bay had not been ashamed of her choice to choose Emmett over Tank, and it feels as though she was. I wish Bay had owned that choice and proclaimed to the world, "This is who I am and if you have a problem with it, well, that's your problem." When Tank says to Bay, "Just so I know, was it the army guy who lied about cheating on you? Or was it Emmett? Who actually did. (Scoffs) I am such an idiot," he makes Bay feel ashamed of her choice. I want Bay to grow enough that no one can make her feel ashamed for choosing what is right for her.

Absolutely! I can make it angrier!

I just figured people would feel bad if Bay said that to Tank cause Tank was so in love with her. That kind of makes me wanna yak.

Ugh, yes! Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees how manipulative Tank can be. Guilt-tripping her about sex was gross. I also really hated the way he reacted to the Ty reveal.

Bay went to Emmett first about Ty. Which he handled splendidly by the way. He managed to turn a situation that was painful and confusing for Bay - finding out her ex orchestrated this lie about cheating on her - into a situation where it was about him and how she hurt him by not coming to him first. Well, Tank, you just proved you can't be there for her so why should she have come to you?

I do think when he said that, he basically made her feel ashamed. Hence why she told John she was the bad guy. It broke my heart to see her that way.

I agree that Bay has a right to be livid with him. Yes, of course, we should be responsible for ourselves, but the way he said he always wanted it to happened was condescending. You're right.

It made me feel like deep down, he wanted to get back at her for Emmett and get back at Emmett.

Is what he did punishable by law? That's for society to figure out. But if you're asking me if I think he took advantage then the answer is a resounding yes. I'm not saying all drunk people should refrain from sex. But I think it's telling that Tank took the opportunity when Bay had turned him down previously. Personally, if I really had feelings for someone who had previously rejected me and suddenly - while drunk - they seemed to be into me, call me crazy, but I'd wait. I'd rather know in the sober day of light that they want me. And not only due to legal reasons but I imagine it would feel awful to think they're into you only to find out they were just finding a way to drown their sorrows.

And Tank wasn't a stranger. I would feel betrayed if I were in Bay's position. I wouldn't press charges because I'd probably be embarrassed and blame myself, but I also would make it clear that they crossed a boundary and I don't want anything to do with them. I would not have faulted Bay at all for saying that. To me, that breaches a trust.

[ollibear]

I don't know if the writers will ever go there or broach this subject, but I feel as though that is what Emmett needed to see from Bay.

Emmett needed to know that Bay was angry at Tank for doing what he did to her. I really believe it broke Emmett's heart to think that Bay wasn't angry about it at all.

Rather than John telling Bay not to underestimate Emmett, I wish John had told Bay that it is okay to be angry at Tank for what happened. I wish John had told Bay that HE is angry at Tank for what happened.

Emmett wanted to take a baseball bat to Tank (understandable, even if misguided) while Bay wanted to tell Emmett about Tank's virtues. Why? I don't understand that.

Bay, it's okay to be angry at Tank.

It's so frustrating that Bay isn't. And I just received a tweet from someone in the news media, and he told me that next week's episode makes him even more upset with Emmett. The writers are killing Emmett's character, and yes, I understand that it is JUST television, but I love Emmett. That's a real emotion, even if it is for a fictional character, and I am a REAL person who feels that emotion.

Plus, it is art, and there is nothing wrong with being passionate about art.

And in case anyone has never experienced it, you should know that it hurts when people attack someone or something you love.

It's already too much to bear, and it has been too much since March 10th, when the Season 4A finale aired.

Knowing that it is going to get worse after next week's episode truly is a horrible feeling.

How far are the writers going to go? People already believe Emmett is the worst? Why do the writers even need to take it any further, than where it is right now?

What purpose does it serve the show to take Emmett's character and do this to him?

EDITED TO ADD:

It made me feel like deep down, he wanted to get back at her for Emmett and get back at Emmett. Is what he did punishable by law? That's for society to figure out. But if you're asking me if I think he took advantage then the answer is a resounding yes. I'm not saying all drunk people should refrain from sex. But I think it's telling that Tank took the opportunity when Bay had turned him down previously. Personally, if I really had feelings for someone who had previously rejected me and suddenly - while drunk - they seemed to be into me, call me crazy, but I'd wait. I'd rather know in the sober day of light that they want me. And not only due to legal reasons but I imagine it would feel awful to think they're into you only to find out they were just finding a way to drown their sorrows.

^ All of that is so, so true! And Tank DID get back at Bay and at Emmett. He put the final nail in their destruction.