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Old 03-11-2015, 11:21 AM
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My opinion of Emmett is so very low right now. They need to do a lot to make this okay.

And if he thinks that relationships don't take work he's delusional. Bay was trying. He gave up.
I warned you not to expect a happy ending but you "yelled" at me for being too negative.
Bay called him "weak". That opinion will NOT be changing any time soon.
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Old 03-11-2015, 11:47 AM
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My opinion of Emmett is so very low right now. They need to do a lot to make this okay.

And if he thinks that relationships don't take work he's delusional. Bay was trying. He gave up.
Yeah no kidding.. Relationships are REALLY hard work! disconnects can happen but bailing on someone is not the solution. You talk, you reconnect. Bay was trying 100% in this, Emmett gave up and I have no words to describe how I feel about Emmett right now.. He is WEAK and PATHETIC right now. I cannot believe he made a movie based off him and Bay and the Tank fiasco.. Absolutely WRONG and Unacceptable. It reeks of a boy who is immature...I can't take him seriously right now. If my boyfriend ever did something like that to me, I'd kick him where it hurts..
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I'm convinced that somewhere along the way Sean Berdy had a falling out or something with LW.
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The fact is Emmett turned something pretty personal and turned it into a movie without Bay permission. That does to show that at that point he really didn't really value her feelings into it.
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Old 03-13-2015, 01:13 AM
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The fact is Emmett turned something pretty personal and turned it into a movie without Bay permission. That does to show that at that point he really didn't really value her feelings into it.
It was childish and completely cruel. I am fully aware writers take material from their life and put elsewhere but it's a big difference when Bay said she felt violated.. Totally uncalled for. I don't care what anyone says on this, Emmett was a jerk in this and his maturity level was shown when it was revealed what his little movie was really about.. Bay had every right in the world to be angry. With how Emmett has been behaving, I don't want him with Bay right now. Lizzy Weiss has made this clear, they're the couple of the show and they'll eventually be back together, so I'd imagine Emmett will want Bay back one day and all I can say is, good luck boy, you'll need it because if that was me, I'd show Emmett the door.
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Lizzy Weiss has made this clear, they're the couple of the show and they'll eventually be back together, so I'd imagine Emmett will want Bay back one day and all I can say is, good luck boy, you'll need it because if that was me, I'd show Emmett the door.
I have the strongest feeling that it will be Bay chasing Emmett this time. Or maybe fate will just throw Bay & Emmett together again, but that seems too convenient for these writers.

I really don't see Emmett ever chasing Bay again. He did that for two years. The writers won't repeat that storyline. It's just not going to happen.

Emmett is not going to regret his choice to break up with Bay on the beach. He accepts it and plans to go with it. I imagine he will focus on school and even date Skye or someone else in LA.

Emmett may have mixed feelings about what has happened with Bay. He seemed to have them during the breakup itself. And Emmett will always leave a door open to a future with Bay. Emmett isn't going to shut any doors in his life.

But Emmett will firmly stick with this choice he made.

In Emmett's mind, there is no going back. I could see that on the beach, when Bay walked away from him.

The ball is in Bay's court now. If she loves Emmett as much as he loved her, then she will fight for him in the ways that he did, after he cheated.

If Bay decides that she does not love Emmett, as much as he loved her, then she will not fight for him. In that case, Emmett will fade away from Bay's life, and possibly from the show.

I am interested to see how it all turns out in Season 4B.

Sean Berdy posted a funny video, perhaps to lighten the mood, not long after the breakup episode aired a couple of weeks ago.

Emmett is an awesome character, but I would like to see a little more of Sean's exuberance in Emmett, now that he is out there, exploring the big world on his own.

People usually change after a breakup, anyway. Emmett needs to break free, a little bit. It would be fun for everyone in KC to notice Emmett being more playful, when he returns home.

Maybe something like Sean's video with his brother Tyler?

I could see Emmett and Travis having this kind of fun together, now that they are both bachelors again. We NEED some lighthearted moments like this on Switched at Birth. I miss the humor.

We haven't had any real humor, since Toby's bachelor party, over a year ago. I'm ready for something like this:

https://vimeo.com/124155569

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Currently, on Facebook and Twitter, Emmett is the recipient of extreme venom and wrath.

Even people who claim to still like the character, often do so with the caveat that his behavior in the last year is atrocious and unforgivable.

I just don't get it. I don't feel that way AT ALL.

To me, Emmett is the most Emmett-like ever, when he is standing there on the beach breaking up with Bay. I see that decision as mature and strong. I see that as loyal.

Would I rather things had not come to that moment? Of course. I love Bay & Emmett together. I don't want them apart.

But things aren't working, and Emmett did what he needed to do. As I see it, he really didn't have another mature choice.

Any other choice that Emmett might have made would have to include denying the reality of their situation. Bay & Emmett have drifted apart. Trying to force something to work, when it is not working, would only make the situation worse than it already is.

I just don't get the disappointment with Emmett's character.

What if the tables had been turned?

What if, instead of Bay doing all of these things to Emmett, Emmett had done all of these things to Bay? Would people expect Bay to stand by Emmett's side?
  • What if Emmett overhears the Kennishes discussing a move out of state, and rather than tell Bay about it, he manipulates things, behind the scenes, to try to strengthen Bay's bond with Regina and keep Bay in Kansas City? What if, in the process, Bay feels more abandoned by Regina than ever?

  • What if Emmett is devastated to learn that he didn't get into the one and only college to which he applied? And what if, rather than sharing that news with his girlfriend Bay, he shares it with everybody else, and he waits until much later to tell Bay the news (off screen)?

  • What if Emmett goes to Chicago for the weekend with his father and learns some scary news about his health? What if, during his trip, he never once contacts Bay, despite the scary health news and despite the fact he learns Bay's best friend is doing cocaine? (As an aside, what if, while Emmett is away, Mandy, his ex-girlfriend, takes a violent swing at Bay in a bar, but luckily, she misses?)

  • What if, after reuniting with Bay, Emmett is plagued by thoughts that he cheated on Mandy? What if, even though Emmett is in a relationship with Bay, Emmett approaches Mandy, several times, and asks for her forgiveness and friendship?

  • What if, when Mandy repeatedly rebukes Emmett's attempts at rekindling their friendship, Emmett offers to go to dinner with her, while she tells her mother that she quit her sorority?

  • What if, on the same night, Bay asks Emmett to celebrate her acceptance to Pratt, by sharing a hamburger with her? What if Emmett refuses, saying that he has to go to dinner with Mandy and her mother that night, instead?

  • What if Emmett adds, for Bay's benefit, of course: "I did something AWFUL to Mandy, and the least I can do is be there when she tells her mom that she's de-pledging. She doesn't have a lot of friends right now, Bay. It is one dinner. And it's going to be boring and awkward. And I owe it to her. We both do."?

  • What if Bay responds by asking Emmett to leave her out of it, and Emmett still goes to the dinner with Mandy and her mother?

  • At the dinner, with Mandy and her mother, what if Emmett discovers that Mandy never told her mother she and Emmett broke up?

  • At the dinner, with Mandy and her mother, what if Mandy tells Emmett how handsome he is and just beams at him?

  • At the dinner, with Mandy and her mother, what if, when Mandy's mother joins them, she tells Emmett how handsome he is, too?

  • At the dinner, with Mandy and her mother, what if, as Emmett sits there, awkwardly, listening to all of this praise, Mandy's mother asks the two "love birds" (Mandy and Emmett) to sit closer together?

  • At the dinner, with Mandy and her mother, what if, as Emmett finally nudges Mandy into telling her mother the truth about the sorority and their breakup, the mother abruptly leaves Emmett and Mandy at the table, to finish their meal alone together?

  • What if, as Mandy and Emmett are leaving the fancy restaurant together, Emmett begs Mandy for her friendship once more?

  • What if Mandy finally agrees to a friendship with Emmett, and Emmett decides, out of the blue, right then and there, that he needs to tell Mandy the truth about his serious health concern, the one that he has never shared with Bay?

  • What if Emmett waits until he and Mandy are alone together, in her SUV, and then, Emmett opens up and shares all of his fears about his potential to develop an aneurysm with Mandy?

  • What if, the next day, Emmett follows Mandy's advice to call a doctor, but still doesn't tell Bay any of his health concerns?

  • What if, at senior skip day, Emmett sees Bay's ex-boyfriend Tank, but he hides this information from Bay?

  • What if, later, when Tank approaches Bay at senior skip day, Emmett abruptly ends his phone call to the doctor's office and runs over to help Bay? What if Emmett still has not told Bay about the serious medical issue, but instead, he has an emotional outburst in front of Tank and Bay?

  • What if Emmett runs away from Tank and Bay in tears, and as he is leaving, Emmett tells Bay to go to Pratt and meet new people next year, without him?

  • What if, later, Emmett shows up at Bay's workplace and declares his desire to move to NYC with her, while she attends Pratt?

  • What if Bay has expressed serious reservations about attending Pratt, but Emmett has insisted, from the very beginning, that Bay has to go?

  • What if, as Bay agrees to go to Pratt, Emmett smiles and declares Bay will be a great artist and he will be a person with no idea what he wants to do?

  • What if, before their prom, Bay arranges to make the evening as special as she can for Emmett, to make up for the disaster she caused at their first prom? What if Bay even campaigns for them to be Prom King and Queen? What if Bay plans every detail to be special for Emmett, and at the very last minute, without telling Bay, Emmett decides to wear a dress to the Prom, to support Matthew?

  • What if Bay accepts that, despite her efforts to make the evening special for him, Emmett is happiest supporting Matthew?

  • After graduation, what if Emmett ditches the big graduation party, without telling Bay, and leaves her to attend alone?

  • What if, instead of going to the graduation party with Bay, Emmett accompanies Travis to the police station and impulsively takes the fall for Travis's felony crimes, thereby making it impossible for Emmett to go to Pratt with Bay in the fall, even though the school is 2000 miles away from their home and virtually no one at Pratt will speak Bay's language?

  • What if, when Bay asks Emmett, "What about us?" and she questions him about his decision to take the fall for Travis, Emmett says that he didn't want to be talked out of it?

  • What if, when Bay asks Emmett, "What about us?" and she questions him about his decision to take the fall for Travis, Emmett says that if he didn't do this for Travis, he knew that he would regret it every day of his life. What if Emmett adds: "I saved my brother's life today, and I feel lucky. I feel great."?

  • What if Emmett continues to pressure Bay to attend Pratt without him, despite her reservations about leaving Emmett, going so far away from home and family, no one speaking her language, and the expense? What if Emmett absolutely insists that Bay go without him, and he promises her it is the right thing to do?

  • What if, when Bay comes home to surprise Emmett as he has his ankle monitor removed, Emmett asks why Bay cannot stay longer? What if Emmett scolds Bay for not telling him that things had been rough for her, while she was away? What if Emmett expresses disappointment in how much Bay has changed, while she has been gone? What if, rather than being grateful for their time together, Emmett is angry at Bay for the fact that she has to leave so soon?

  • What if, after Bay leaves for the airport, a dejected Emmett goes to a dorm party and shares his relationship troubles with his ex-girlfriend Mandy? What if Emmett begins drinking heavily with Mandy and looks at her with starry eyes full of longing? What if Emmett puts Mandy on his lap for the chair races and allows his hands to drift over her inner thighs?

  • Later, when Emmett is drunk in bed, what if he asks Mandy to join him to look at the stars on the ceiling and kisses her?

  • What if Emmett does a video chat with Bay, to tell her that he slept with Mandy, after their fight? What if Daphne travels to Pratt to tell Bay that Emmett was actually raped by Mandy? Then, when Bay comes home to check on Emmett, what if Emmett tells her that Mandy is a good person and that what happened between Emmett and Mandy was his fault, too, and Emmett needs Bay to be okay with that?

  • What if Bay indicates she needs some time to process this news and everything that has happened between them? What if Emmett proceeds to show up during Bay's final art project for the semester and surprise her in NYC?

  • What if Bay explains that she is in the middle of creating her final art project, and Emmett makes himself scarce, until he discovers that Bay's art is, in part, about him sleeping with Mandy? What if he shows up on the set again, and yells at Bay in front of her fellow students?

  • What if Emmett yells at a particularly friendly fellow student, telling this student to "Back off! I'm talking to my girlfriend here," and gives the guy an angry scowl?

I could understand Bay doubting Emmett's love, after all of that happened. I could understand Bay doubting whether she and Emmett are right for each other, at least at this juncture in their life, and especially if she is really enjoying her schooling at Pratt (in the way that Emmett is enjoying his schooling at USC).

I understand why Bay would make the decision to break up with Emmett.

Bay & Emmett have their youth working against them, the distance, the secrets, the lack of trust, the broken promises. I understand why Emmett didn't feel, after all of THIS, that he and Bay should have to force their relationship to work.

For whatever reason, it obviously wasn't working between Bay & Emmett this time.

Maybe Bay never did get over Emmett cheating on her. Maybe that is why Bay kept secrets, told lies, broke promises, and manipulated Emmett during their second go-around at love.

Emmett has good reason to doubt Bay's love.

Bay has shown Emmett that she is not ready for the type of commitment that a 2000-mile move requires.

I've gone back and re-watched their breakup scene on the beach numerous times, and I believe Emmett is telling Bay that they should not have to struggle as hard as they have been struggling. He is saying that their relationship should not have to be forced, in order to make it work.

It should just work.

Emmett was not scared or unwilling to DO the work. But the relationship should work, so that he can work on it. Since it wasn't working, Emmett wasn't willing to force it, not with so much at stake. He has his entire future riding on this college education.

To Emmett's way of thinking, their entire future is riding on it. It's not like Bay, with her felony conviction, is in a good position to support them.

I also went back and re-watched the episode Protect Me From What I Want yesterday. That's the episode that aired on Valentine's Day 2012, when Bay & Emmett declare their love for each other, for the first time.

What Emmett wants in life, what Emmett desperately needs, is a happy family. Bay has always had that. Emmett hasn't.

What Bay wants, at least in part, is to belong. Bay has wanted someone to choose her, to put her first. But Emmett did that, from the moment he made his mistake with Simone, Emmett recognized that mistake, apologized for it, and put Bay first, from that moment forward.

But I don't think that was enough, because Bay didn't seem really happy or connected to Emmett, during their second relationship. I don't think they were able to recover from Emmett's original mistake.

If they are both struggling to the point of unhappiness in trying to connect, and I believe that they were, then Emmett is right. Now is not the time for Bay to move to LA.

Perhaps what Bay is going through with Tank, now, will help her understand that Emmett did love her, despite his cheating on her with Simone.

Or maybe, because of Emmett's mistake, Bay & Emmett will forever be star-crossed.

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people have explained why, you just don't agree or see things the same way. there's not much else to be said about it.

one bad half season doesn't make me hate him. but i do think he needs redemption and until 4b starts, my opinion of him will stay at disappointment.
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there's not much else to be said about it.
Well, considering this is a message board, I'm trying to come up with things to say, to keep the conversation going.

I'm open to other suggestions for conversation, though.

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people have explained why, you just don't agree or see things the same way.

one bad half season doesn't make me hate him. but i do think he needs redemption and until 4b starts, my opinion of him will stay at disappointment.
Yeah, I get that is your point of view. And I am not posting here to change your mind.

I doubt myself, because I am one lone soldier, and there are literally thousands of people who have expressed your feelings.

So how could I be right?

I can't be, not with that many people supporting the opposing side.

But I still don't understand. I don't see why Emmett needs redemption at all. To me, he seems like a saint.

Everyone is disappointed in Emmett, and I am looking at him, believing he spent the last year being the most mature any 19 year old could manage to be.

Bay and Emmett disconnected, before she ever arrived on that beach.

When Emmett told Skye that he never meant for Bay to see his script, that it was so personal, that was a huge red flag that Bay and Emmett were no longer intimate with each other. Bay and Emmett stopped kissing. They didn't take off their clothes for sex. They didn't share their personal lives with each other anymore.

Both of them are to blame for all of that.

Given the state of their relationship, one surprise trip to LA wasn't going to solve anything. Bay wanted to keep working on their relationship, but it would have been foolhardy for her to move to LA when things had disintegrated so completely.

Why would Bay move there now? Emmett's feelings for Bay have changed. In the wake of everything that has happened, Emmett has fallen out of love with Bay.

If a couple is married, they might go to relationship counseling. But given Bay & Emmett's situation, now is not the time for her to move 2000 miles to be with him.

What I don't understand is why Bay suddenly wanted to put their relationship first? Why didn't she put their relationship first all along? Why did Bay wait until things had completely fallen apart, to demand that they give their relationship special attention?

After Bay had put their relationship last for so long, I can understand why Emmett was hesitant to put it first all of a sudden. Without Bay, Emmett threw himself into his school and into new relationships, like his friendship with Skye.

Why should Emmett toss all he built aside, to focus on Bay now?

So Bay suddenly decides she cares, and wants to make their relationship a priority, and Emmett is supposed to rearrange everything for her again?

Bay made her choices, without consulting Emmett. Emmett made his choices, without consulting Bay.

To me, both of them contributed to the failure of their relationship, this second go around.

Emmett saying, "Yes, Bay go ahead and move out here next week, and we will try to make it work between us," when his feelings for Bay have dissipated, isn't going to work any better than Bay sneaking down to the lake at the Tolerance Retreat with Emmett.

Bay wasn't feeling it then, and Emmett isn't feeling it now.

That's the way it goes sometimes.
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The bulk of it comes from how he handled bays rape. Up until 406 he was still trying and still willing. But he still views it as cheating and gave up completely after that. And bay is the one who needs to live with it and she shouldn't be with someone who thinks of it a cheating when she herself doesn't. That won't ever help bay move on.

Her entire family was supportive, even Travis was supportive. But her boyfriend wasn't and wasn't willing to try and understand. He didn't talk to her for weeks and then broke up with her.
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The bulk of it comes from how he handled bays rape. Up until 406 he was still trying and still willing. But he still views it as cheating and gave up completely after that. And bay is the one who needs to live with it and she shouldn't be with someone who thinks of it a cheating when she herself doesn't. That won't ever help bay move on.

Her entire family was supportive, even Travis was supportive. But her boyfriend wasn't and wasn't willing to try and understand. He didn't talk to her for weeks and then broke up with her.
Thanks, Anne.

This information actually helps me quite a lot.

I do not see what happened to Bay as a rape, in any way, shape, or form. That's probably the big difference between me and the thousands of people who detest Emmett.

When Emmett believed it was a rape, if he had behaved the way that he is right now, I would have been disappointed in him, too.

Fortunately, when Emmett believed it was a rape, he flew home to be with Bay, he continued looking for apartments for them in LA, he was even willing to quit school and move home just to be with her.

All of those things were extremely supportive.

It was only when Bay told him that she was to blame, too, for the sexual encounter with Tank, that Emmett felt hurt enough to cause his feelings for Bay to shift.

It isn't that Emmett is angry at, or unable to forgive, Bay for what happened. He is hurt.

Emmett feels if Bay valued their relationship, then she wouldn't have done the things that make her partly responsible for the sexual encounter with Tank.

It's not that he cannot forgive her. He does. Emmett wouldn't have suggested that they might have a chance in the future, if he was holding a grudge against Bay.

It is just that, in the same way Bay's feelings for Emmett shifted after he slept with Simone, Emmett's feelings for Bay have shifted, now that she has slept with Tank.

But yeah, if I at all believed Bay was raped, then I would be disappointed in Emmett right now.

So that's probably the big difference between me and the thousands of other people that detest Emmett right now.

Personally, I believe the best thing for Bay is to see what happened between her and Tank as her choice to cheat on Emmett.

That way, Bay can take responsibility for what happened. It empowers her. She can make choices to minimize that from ever happening again.

If she sees herself as a victim, or even a survivor, then she will not recognize her own power.

If I was in Bay's situation, looking at what happened as my choice would be the best way for me to move forward.

No matter what, Bay definitely needs to admit to emotionally cheating on Emmett, because she did from the get-go, when she first went to dinner with Tank and his dad.

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Happy birthday to Sean!
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Happy 22 you yungin'.
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at least he's not 18 anymore! i felt like a total creep back then.
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Hahaha. True true.
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