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Because we know he was filling his void of Emma in taking back his ship... he thought once he has his ship - he will be somewhat fine, but i dont think that void filled and he will realise this... that his ship isnt important, he was covering it up over the loss of Emma, We saw him say it to Ariel... when Ariel asked him what kind of man chooses a ship and he says the kind that empty and thought his ship would overcome it, but it didnt... so i think he is gonna realise and will give up the Jolly roger in the face of finding Emma... he chooses love and Emma... and hence he found her in NYCS, i think him getting the note gave him the goal and something to fight for and didnt hesitate in giving up his ship imo (unless he used his ship - which we know is enchanted sacrificed it for Emma, so he must of used in to make a portal or something) Also as we saw the guilt and shame ate at him what he did to Ariel... even though he now knows she found Eric, and is happy - he still is guilty over what he did and now what Zelena has done to him |
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Wouldn't it be a more interesting tale if Regina lost in the early rounds only to wind up victorious at the end? Isn't that a far more interesting character study and growth on how she overcomes her early loses? The setup, IMHO, is there. Regina is in the midst of a redemption arc of self discovery. Without her key identity of the Evil Queen - what kind of woman is she, shouldn't she have moments of doubts and introspection? There still is a lot more mystery to the Wicked story to uncover. We'll just have to wait and see. __________________
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As for the setup, yes a continuation of Zelena vs. Regina makes the most sense and given the setup, it certainly can happen. But I am not naive enough to think it's the *only* scenario in play. If the writers wanted to end with the Savior vs. Wicked, they certainly could, whether or not it's logical or interesting. Quote:
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For example, "The Jolly Roger" was exactly as you stated "a character-driven" episode. It was the culmination of 17 episodes of methodical character growth and evolution. This is no overnight transformation and even in this episode highlighted the character's fall into old habits and the remorse and guilt of a fateful decision. Hook's confession of guilt and begging for forgiveness was a huge character development which still held consequences plus enhanced the plot; furthermore, it clearly leads into another future decision (JR still missing in present day SB) we already know occurs, as revealed in the final act of episode 3.11. How and why Hook arrived at Emma's door a year later is finally getting answered. This episode was the start of the answer and used it to explore his character. Quote:
As I have stated in my previous post, the battle between two witches, one of whom only discovered a sibling, was the marquee and is currently happening on screen, but, of course, it's not the only element, and we discovered additional clues in the premiere and each succeeding episode. There is more to the story - more depth and complexity. Isn't that preferred? Quote:
But I believe that is not what is happening here. My original post, which you admit agreement, is a reflection of what I see happening on screen not my wish. Eddy and Adam are going with a more interesting tale. The Fairytale characters are rooted in the known stories, but rehashed and remade into their own image. There may be homages to the original story in some small way (thus angering some fans when it isn't a closer reflection of the original tale), but it is their original creation. Bringing it back to this episode, Captain Hook's origins may be in the "Peter Pan" story, but Eddy and Adam transformed the character to make an interesting tale (just as you accused writers of not doing) and created an entirely fictional persona of 'Killian Jones'. There are homages to the original Barrie work - He's English, gentleman with manners, 'good form', and especially in this episode (not in Neverland) a sword fight battle to the many Hook/Pan duels in Disney and cinematic history. Actually, I thought it was a nice touch towards Disney. Another 'interesting tale' by OUAT writers is Robin Hood. In the original tale Maid Marian is Robin's true love, but in OUAT universe Marin was killed and Robin is now Regina's soul mate. Many, many viewers are extremely upset by this bold interesting twist and how the tale which E&A want to tell has yet to be told. Viewers may not approve the twist and changes selected by Eddy, Adam and writing team, but I would argue they are at least doing so - repeatedly. So I'm a bit confused to what you we agreed upon. But at least you said we agreed. Quote:
Secondly, the story isn't "twisted to make her the hero" Emma is the hero in the story. That is her role. If it wasn't then 3.12 and retrieving her was an entire waste of Eddy, Adam and writing team's time. The retrieval of Emma to Storybrooke signifies she's key to the story regardless of the villain. So nothing was twisted from or to anything or anybody - it is the story. __________________
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As for "The Jolly Roger," I'm not arguing that it wasn't a character-driven episode. Indeed, the intent was clearly to show how far Hook has come, to paint him in a sympathetic light and to prove that he is worthy of the Savior. But I found it to be a waste of an episode, quite frankly. I learned nothing about Hook's character (personality, temperament, etc.) that I didn't already know and worse, it didn't advance the plot any more than what could have been accomplished in a more balanced episode. Quote:
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