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Old 03-20-2017, 05:16 PM
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Rumple really dodged the bullet when his mother abandoned him. Maybe he should thank her..

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The Baelfire stuff felt at odds with Rumple's comment in 1x19 about knowing August wasn't his son because his son would never use the dagger on him (or something in that vein). So that really didn't work for me. I just wish OUAT managed to do episodes to make a character look betetr without having to make another look worse.
I had forgotten about that.. Yeah, it does make the Bae stuff feel a bit like retcon (although it was lovely to see Rumple being such a caring father). And I agree, throwing one character under the bus to prop up another is one of the things that bother me the most about this show.

I have mixed feelings about the villainization of Beowulf, too.

Otherwise I enjoyed the episode and loved the father/son stuff.
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:40 PM
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And I thought Pan was bad. The Black Fairy sounds pure evil. And not a very nice grandmother.

Also, if she's "trapped" in another realm how was she able to steal Gideon in the first place?
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:44 PM
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The Rumple enbraced the darkeness pretyy quickly. Having Bae be the bad guy (sort of) by ordering Rumple to kill, and then wanting him to embrace the darkness, is totally out of charactor.
Would it really be though? If we consider how difficult it is for an adult (with a fully functioning prefrontal cortex) to resist the darkness, then I imagine it would be far worse for a child of 9 or so.

I thought it kind of made sense from that vantage, considering that Rumple wiped his memory and gave him a fresh start. The Bae that we knew was a pretty great guy, but he definitely had done some questionable things which could be explained by having soe darkness in him that he was unaware of (course it could also be explained by needing to fend for himself when he ended up in Netherland and the World without Magic).
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Old 03-24-2017, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Miss Cam (View Post)
The Baelfire stuff felt at odds with Rumple's comment in 1x19 about knowing August wasn't his son because his son would never use the dagger on him (or something in that vein).
Good point.

I think this is probably the first episode to my memory where Emma didn't have a heavy feature. I mean, we didn't see her until the last 5 minutes of the episode. Where was she the rest of the time? Granted, Gideon was defeated in the spring premiere but he's still running around Storybrooke hellbent on taking Emma's role? It's really odd not to see a lot of concern from Emma and the Charming family in general about him coming back to do more damage.

I give the episode 7.5 (not enough Emma). Plus, The Evil Queen is back.
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Old 08-08-2017, 01:25 PM
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Interesting backstory with Rumple and Bae. It did seem very out of character for Bae to use the dagger and order Rumple to kill that Beowulf. Even though Rumple gave him that memory potion it still doesn't make sense that Bae would do something like that in the first place. This episode was definitely made to make Rumple look good, and I guess it worked. He honestly didn't want Bae to turn to darkness like he did, he loved his son and giving him that memory potion was the best thing he could have done for him. It was selfless. I liked how this paralleled with Gideon and how he wouldn't let him also turn to darkness, so further darkened his soul to do so. Poor Blue though. But Rumple did seem honestly apologetic to what he had to do to her to stop Gideon doing it. I hope Rumple sticks to his promise of returning her magic once this is over. I liked the Rumbelle scene towards the end, finally a sweet moment with them again. Working together to protect their son. Bringing them together, and making Rumple selfless. Awesome.

Man, is that Robin of Emma's wish world a douche! I guess the EQ deliberately made him that way? It was all to test Regina. But Regina's willing to help him leave Storybrooke by finding a spell to break the protection spell on the town line. She says she owes it to her Robin, to him. But he isn't her Robin at all. And he blatantly says that to her. I'm glad Zelena apologised to Regina for being willing to leave Storybrooke with Robin, including taking snake EQ with her. But now she's managed to escape her cage and used Robin to transform herself back. Not good!

And now on to Killian, glad Archie was there to help. Annoyingly, as he finally got the guts to tell Emma the truth about her grandfather, before he said anything Emma presumed he was proposing because she found his ring. Damn, it Emma. It was supposed to be a surprise. But nonetheless, it was so sweet how she looked so happy and said yes and Killian proposed. But now it's going to be even harder for him to tell her. The longer this drags out, the worse it'll get.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:08 AM
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Thanks, Liv, for sharing your thoughts about the episode.
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