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"My thoughts got out to you, my Immortal Beloved, now and then joyfully, then sadly, waiting to learn whether or not fate will hear us
I can live only wholly with you or not at all
Yes, I am resolved to wander so long away from you until I can fly to your arms and say that I am really at home with you, and can send my soul en-wrapped in you into the land of spirits
Yes, unhappily it must be so
You will be the more contained since you know my fidelity to you. No one else can ever posses my heart never
Never
Oh God, why must be one parted from one whom one so loves.
Your love makes me at once the happiest and the unhappiest of men
Oh, continue to love me
Never misjudge the most faithful heart of your beloved.
Ever thine
Ever mine
Ever ours"

- Ludwig van Beethoven

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Gennifer Goodwin - "I would say that I love Rumpelstiltskin and Belle story." "This breathtaking scene between Robert Carlyle and Emile De Ravin made me cry upon reading the script." [on Gold's phone call to Belle]
Jane Espenson - "Yeah i ship them."
Adam Horowitz - "It was a beautiful thing to see the depths of love that one can have for another and that could mean is no matter what you face, no matter what you go through,you will never give up on the other person."
Jefferson/Mad Hatter - Because he helped Belle escaped
Prince Charming/David Nolan - Because he was Gold's wingman twice
Red/Ruby - Because she helped Gold find Belle
Grumpy - Because he gave Gold a potion to help Belle remember
Chip - Because this is the symbol of their True Love
Ariel - She helped Belle in showing Rumple is still alive
Archie - Officiated their wedding
Moe - Gave Belle away at their wedding

"Belle is certainly the counterpoint to Gold. There’s no doubt about that. If there’s any possibility at all of Rumple or Gold changing, it’ll come through this character. She brings out the better side of him, and she’s the only one that can do that. She is his strength, in fact.”
― Robert Carlyle commentary from Girl Power Bonus Feature

"The theme of…this episode actually changed in the writing of it, which is very unusual on the show, ‘cause normally the guys know exactly what the episode’s about, and you go in knowing it and it never changes, but this one started out being about ‘Rumple chooses power over love’ and then I sort of realised during the writing of it, as I was going through drafts, and talking with the guys about it that that’s what Rumple wants to think he’s doing, but really it’s about that he doesn’t think he’s lovable or worthy of love. It just kept getting deeper and deeper as we worked with it. “
― Jane Espenson (writer), Skin Deep episode commentary

“I think he’d probably see, in his mind’s eye, nirvana for him with Belle, Bae, a castle, power—enough to take care of the kids—and be quite happy.”
― Robert Carlyle


"There won’t be uninterrupted happiness for Rumple and Belle until season seven.] “There will be a few children in between.”
― Emilie de Ravin

“To us it was a beautiful thing to see the depth of love that one can have for another, and that what that can mean is, no matter what you face, no matter what you go through, you will never give up on the other person if you really have that love and that belief in them.”
― Adam Horowitz

“She fell pretty hard and pretty quickly for him.
It was interesting for her to maybe not have the other person just react how she’s used to, like him just falling in love with her or you know being…basically not like him, that was really confused why this girl liked him at all. And I think that made her [fall in love with him] even more.”
― Emilie de Ravin at Comic Con (regarding Belle’s feelings for Rumplestiltskin)

"In terms of my career, that’s among the best 42 minutes of TV I’ve ever been involved in."
― Robert Carlyle ( concerning 'Skin Deep')

"Belle’s always been an independent woman, but she’s just always hanging out with Rumple. I don’t think that’s ever trampled on her independence. I think it’s almost lifted it in a sense."
― Emilie de Ravin

"But then we realized during the writing of it, as I was going through drafts and talking to the guys about it, that that's what Rumple wants to think he's doing...? But really, it's about that he doesn't think he's lovable. Or worthy of love. It just kept getting deeper and deeper as we worked with it."
- Jane Espenson (writer of 'Skin Deep')

"From the net and through twitter, I get such beautiful comments from people, hinting that they love this episode so much because it's proof that they could be loved."
- Robert Carlyle

"At the end of it all, he's got a really good heart, and he cares for her more than anything, and that's pretty obvious"
- Emilie de Ravin

A Dream Within a Dream
By Edgar Allan Poe

Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow:
You are not wrong who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.

I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand--
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep--while I weep!
O God! can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?

"I think that Happy Endings are, are earned. I don’t think they’re necessarily just given to you, you know just lying around."
- Robert Carlyle

"These two characters coming together, it’s the beast, but it’s Rumplestiltskin. I think it’s a fantastic dynamic, it’s such a fun relationship to play."
- Emilie de Ravin

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
― 1 Corinthians 13:4

crazy_diamond

Beauty & The Beast

"I think true love is massive, y’know? And that’s a big part of it."
― Robert Carlyle

" Most of these fairytales and the characters phonetically all have a good message in there somewhere, like you look at Beauty and the Beast, it’s what’s in the inside that counts."
― Emilie de Ravin

"I really enjoyed preforming it and working with Emilie, but what no one could plan for was the reaction that that had, people were saying that this episode gives them hope that everyone has a chance to find love."
― Robert Carlyle

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"He’s the only one love she ever has had"
― Emilie de Ravin

"Belle is Rumplestiltskin’s emotional centre, that’s what keeps him in the side of good. The closer he is to Belle, the better he is. The farther he gets away, the more dangerous he is for everyone"
― Robert Carlyle

"She’s the love of his bloody life, they’ve gone through Hell together. I guess that’s what love is. [Laughs] It’s not that easy.”
― Emilie de Ravin

“I would say that I love the Rumplestilskin-Belle story. I love the idea that he’s the Beast — and why not? There’s nothing in that story that implies that it could not have been the same Beast.”
― Ginnifer Goodwin

“She fell pretty hard and pretty quickly for him”
― Emilie de Ravin

“In the episode ‘Skin Deep’ you see Rumplestiltskin in all his glory — good, bad or otherwise.” After that aired, fans went wild. “They loved him for some reason. They felt for him and wanted him to find Belle and be happy. And he’s the monster.”
― Robert Carlyle

Reasons

Future Titles


"What? First you tell me I let the pirate live, and now you tell me I fall for the help?"
"What are you saying?" "Will you marry me?" Yes, yes yes"
"Sometimes the best book has the dustiest jacket. And sometimes the best teacup is chipped.”
"Your unwavering faith constantly astounds me."
"My walls were up. But you brought them down. You brought me home."
"You brought light into my life and chased away all the darkness."
"I owe more to you than I can ever say. How you can see the man behind the monster I will never know."
" But now I realize… I realize that I have not spent my life losing you. I’ve spent my life finding you."
"I will never comprehend why you continue to stand by my side."
"Your unwavering faith constantly astounds me."
"I love him. All of him. Even the parts that belong to the darkness."
"What you're giving me is more than I can ever give you."
"Now we're married." - "Now we're married." - Robert and Emilie
"The man beneath the monster may be flawed, but we all are. And I love you for it." - Belle
"Sometimes the best book has the dustiest jacket, and sometimes the best teacup is chipped." - Belle
"We were both genuinely kind of teary" "Yeah" - Robert and Emilie regarding the wedding
"The Belle and Rumple Show" "Rumbelle" "Rumbelle" - Robert and Emilie
"Belle knows this is a dangerous person to even be with at all. But she’s tried to see through, see behind the monster. And she’s got closer than anyone has in hundreds of years.” - Robert Carlyle
"Their love and their relationship is so strong and it was so wonderful to see them coming together like this at the end" -Adam
"I mean these two just break my heart and these vows are so beautiful…" -Eddy
"They’re embarking on a new road together and yeah, we’ve just shown a potential bump but this love is real, and we’re gonna see what it can overcome and what it can face together" -Adam

Rhonwen

Thanks for the new thread.

I knew you'd win the thumb war

crazy_diamond

I've added a few more titles to the future title segment, if anyone has anymore, just shout out

Miss Cam

Thanks for the new thread

Lucas4Brooke

Tftnt!

Seamstress90

Thanks for the new thread!

Here's one I like:

"Belle knows this is a dangerous person to even be with at all. But she’s tried to see through, see behind the monster. And she’s got closer than anyone has in hundreds of years.” - Robert

Then other things.. There has been debate about True Love/Soulmates, and whether Rumple and Belle are soulmates or not. Someone thought they aren't soulmates because Lacey didn't feel immediately drawn to Gold (like David and MM did), and another one says Rumbelle aren't soulmates because they don't fully understand each other (Belle doesn't get why power and control is so important to Rumple (his past as a bullied, ostracized peasant), and he keeps wondering why she constantly forgives him and continues standing by his side). However, I think they are soulmates, and here's why:

First, I made a search for the criteria of soulmates, and found this list. I think Rumbelle fits there quite well:

Source: The 10 Elements of a Soulmate | Dr. Carmen Harra

3) I think they get each other at least better than other people do. We saw this for
example in Skin Deep. And they have finished each other's sentences at least once, in
The Crocodile:

Gold: "...I now know I can never leave this place.."
Belle: "..Because, anyone who leaves, forgets the people they love."

4) Well this one should be obvious

5) Their relationship is quite intense, isn't it?

6) Rumbelle against Hook. Rumbelle against Moe French. Rumbelle against Charmings (interruptions ). Rumbelle against the Big Bad..

7) They definitely have some kind of mental connection. There was a good example of
that in The Curious Thing.

8) Belle brought down Rumple's walls and he feels his home is with her, so obviously he
feels secure with her. And Belle feels comfortable and safe with Rumple. He's the one
she calls to the rescue when she's in trouble.

9) Yep. Even after 30 years, Rumple was still grieving over Belle's "death". Also, Rumbelle has
gone through so much, but their love has survived and become stronger. Plus:

Belle: "When you find something worth fighting for, you never give up."

Rumple: "There's only one path I'm interested in. The one where you and I are
together."

10) That they do, don't they?

Also, while Rumple and Belle may seem like polar opposites, they have quite a lot in common if you look at it closely:

Belle in Skin Deep: "You know, there aren’t a lot of opportunities for women in this land to… To show what they can do. So, when you arrived, that was my chance. I always wanted to be brave. I figured, do the brave thing, and bravery would follow."

Rumple in Manhattan: "But this is the chance I’ve been waiting for…all my life." - "Fighting in this war finally gives me the chance to prove that (bravery) to everyone else."

Basically the same thing in differend words. They both wanted to be brave and prove it, and they both had been waiting for that opportunity all their lifes.

Bravery is important to them, but so is family. Rumple would do anything for his family, and Belle sacrificed her freedom to save hers.

Also, both Belle and Rumple were acting against the rules of the patriarchal society they were living in. Rumple wanted to be a present father to his son, rather than to fight in the war as an honorable man was expected to do. Belle wanted have adventures and be a hero, to show what a woman can do, instead of fulfilling her duty as a (noble) woman: get married and provide your husband an heir.

It's true that they don't always understand each other, but I think that's just because 1) they actually don't know very much about each other's pasts, and 2) Belle never explains what she means when she says Rumple isn't a monster and there's good in him. Rumple doesn't get it because of his severe self-esteem issues and self-loathing. These two should talk, really..

If they aren't soul mates, they are at least very close. Actually, if I remember correctly, the writers once called them "kindred spirits".

What do you think? Soulmates or not? Let's discuss!

crazy_diamond

Thanks for the additional titles, I'll add that in

With all the descriptions you posted there, it seems that they are definitely are soul mates, for me I've always thought that they are soul mates and of course TL..all those 10 points describe them and with everything that has happened to them in the past , their souls have never let go of each other,

Belleislove

Thanks for the new thread!!

If they aren't soulmates then A&E need to call it a day and end the show right now because they've blown it.

Honestly, I think they pulled this soulmate vs. true love stuff out of thin air because of the whole Regina/Daniel and Robin/Marian and now Robin/Regina stuff.

I mean Eddy once, very stupidly, called Rumple and Cora soulmates. Again if the evil woman who he really was only involved with for a few days and ripped her heart out so she wouldn't feel anything for him and later tried to murder him is his soulmate then Rumple is just a total loser, which he isn't.

A&E say things and then backtrack all the time.

It's true love that is the greatest anyway. But yes, of course Rumple and Belle are soulmates and true love. It's hard to believe there is anyone even questioning that, because if they aren't? Then no one is.

Seamstress90

And she abandoned her baby in the middle of forest, while Rumple always put his child first and would do anything for his family. Yeah, no way are Rumple and Cora soulmates!

I can't take those writers seriously anymore. First we are told that true love is the most powerful magic in the world and it can never be replaced. Then they say you can have more than one TL (if they meant non-romantic TL, then that's ok) and that a soulmate-relationship is even stronger than TL. I'm honestly a bit confused.

It has always been clear to me that Rumple and Belle are soulmates, for the reasons I stated earlier. Their love is so powerful that it brought down Rumple's walls and he wants go back to the best version of him (and that never happened before!). And no matter how much their love has gone through, it's survived.

Besides, I kinda thought that true love = soulmates. I mean, when it's TRUE love (not just love), it means there is (or should be) that deeper understanding and a special emotional and mental bond between the lovers. They make each other complete and bring out the best in each other. Imo that sounds like soulmates.. but I may be wrong.

Belleislove

I think when Eddy speaks we should just ignore him.

I don't even consider Rumple/Cora to be love. They had one thing in common. They wanted revenge and power. There was no basis for a relationship. Wanting to kill people doesn't bond people with love, lol. It's actually repulsive.

But Belle is definitely his soulmate and true love.

If A&E are backing off on the show's true love concept, then as I said, it might be time to just call it a day because you destroy the whole premise of the that that true love is the most powerful magic.

crazy_diamond

Yeah they right put a spanner in the works with is soulmate/TL thing...I don't know why they spoke about it in the first place, I choose to just ignore what Eddy says anyways we all know Belle and Rumple are TL and soulmates

Another great pic of Robert and Emilie at Comic Con..


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Belleislove

that picture is gorgeous.

LIke I said before, I think the true love/soulmate thing is because of Robin/Regina. Robin and Marion are an iconic couple. They have to find a way to reconcile that with Robin and Regina, which is the story they're telling.

I think they would be better off to keep their mouths shut.

crazy_diamond

Certainly is

Yeah, they shouldn't have brought soulmates into it tbh...just kept with the TL angle..

Grace52373

Maybe true love can't be replaced but if your true love dies, you can still find love again, just not true love.

Also, I think Eddy meant to call Rumple/Cora kindred spirits. They have the same background, both have been hurt and bullied, both despise royalty but that is where the similarities end. Rumple puts family above all else and his happy ending is Belle and Bae, Cora doesn't feel the same way. Power is important to both Cora and Rumple, but Rumple has a line he won't cross and Cora has no such moral line.

1.Both Rumple and Belle put their family first.

2.Both of them value and respect intelligence.

3.Both want to be brave.

4. Both love with all their hearts, souls and minds.

5. Both have a code of morality.

6. Both are fiercely protective of their loved ones.

7. Both bring out the best in each other.

8. Both of them will do what they have to do and will fight for each other.

9. Both finish each other sentences and fundamentally understand each other which can only grow as Rumple lets her into his life.

These are the reasons Rumbelle are true love and soul mates and the other women Rumple knew or even cared for cannot touch their relationship.