GrhmLz

Neverlight

Thank you for the new thread!

nike75

Tftnt!

You know, I wonder if that meeting at the Charmings would have been different if Emma and Henry would have been there. Well, obviously it would have been different because then, Regina and Henry would have met as well but I wonder if she would have faked about what she knew about Archie and Cora the way she did with the Charmings. Because I don't think she would've. She doesn't trust those "two idiots" (I just love that line so, so much ) but I still think that she would have been different with Emma.

Persephone

GrhmLz

You're welcome.

Ilda, I did offer my best wishes on your father as well on the old thread. Just reinforcing that I'm glad everything turned out okay, in case you didn't catch it near the end of the last thread.

Oh, and I was able to use your original suggestion, I just abbreviated a bit and took a word or two out that doesn't change the meaning at all.

lol, yeah, I guess so.

I don't know, in these recent batch of episodes for me, Henry just doesn't feel like 'Henry.' Not hating on him but the writing clearly leaves much to be desired from my end of things. Oh, well. *sighs*

It's possible Regina would have been more forthcoming but I'm not so sure regarding Cora yet because I think there was still the potential for things to get heated or heavy again, even with Emma. I do think Emma would have offered a sincere apology, though, and perhaps, she would have allowed Henry to at least say 'hi' to Regina and maybe spend a little time together, as she would have hypothetically been standing right there and likely, Henry would have been close by too. But - I still think Emma would get defensive at the idea of Regina offering to take Henry so she could protect him from Cora. Unfortunately, I could see a debate|argument arising out of that.

But, yeah, lol - that would mean the writing actually providing the opportunity to show that Henry actually still thinks about Regina, or cares, so they wouldn't dare write in a scene like that one.

A part of me also wonders if Emma wanted to take Henry out of town, not just because of Cora, but because of Regina too. Because even though Emma acknowledges that both she and Henry were wrong when it came to what happened with Archie, she also acknowledged in the same breath that she thought they were still going to pay the price either way. So, that indicates to me, that Emma might believe that if Regina hasn't reverted already, the circumstances leading to the incorrect accusations combined with Cora in the picture, could ultimately lead to a reversion. Maybe I'm reading into it a bit but that's kind of the impression I received.

Vera-Sabe

Thanks for the new thread! Love the title as well.

Persephone

miss.sunshine

TFTNT!


Absolutely. Emma was afraid that Regina might try something with him too. Wich we all know it's absurd, because even on her wickedest days, Regina would never do anything to hurt Henry. Actually, if Henry were with Regina, it could prevent the damage Cora is about to set on the town.

Yes, the writers are, indeed, setting a really bad exemple for adoption. It doesn't make any sense. Emma made a closed adoption, she gave him up. She has no right on him. Regina is his real mom. Ugh, this is so absurd, I don't even have strenghts to talk about it. Seriously, it's getting on my nerves.

Persephone

GrhmLz

No problem, Ilda, I'm just happy to hear everything if fine. Being scared would be understandable.

We're lucky that Regina's one of the main characters from the beginning of the series in that, even when an episode isn't about her at all, we normally still get a scene or two of her in it {whether in SB or past FTL}, but that's going to get tiring VERY fast, especially if she's just background story for the rest of the season.

The problem is ... S2 started out with such a strong redemption premise for her character and that's got alot of storyground to cover in and of itself. They can't go episodes just 'passing up on it' without it effecting character development and story flow. But in this case, I find it even worse, because it looks like it got dropped, period. Henry is being written in complete contrast to the Henry of the first half of S2 in regards to Regina and the redemption arc that started out FOR HIM! So, he plays just about as an important role as Regina does in this 'supposed' storyline direction.

I hate to say it, but I feel like I got duped! I'm starting to wonder if that whole spiel about redemption was not to be taken seriously in the beginning, but it was just a plot device to maneuver getting Henry out of Regina's custody and into Emma's and The Charming's custody for good. They took an easy writing way out ... have Regina have a momentary strike of conscience and release Henry voluntarily.

Yup. I have no doubts that the remainder of this season is going to be dominated by Gold|Bae focus and how Henry and Emma fit into this new family dynamic. There will be no time for exploring Regina and Henry's dynamic any further and to be honest, it's not doing much to keep me looking forward to a S3. There's something I accidentally came across somewhere else and read that kind of seals the deal for me that the writers focus likely isn't on Regina with Henry for the remainder of this season. Lol, don't think I can really say, as it might qualify as 'spoilerish', even though it's something not happening this season.

Nothing.

And that's the sad truth. Gold and Regina are both accountable for bad deeds in their FTL pasts but the BIG difference is, Gold will be surrounded by people who love and support him in the future. I have no doubt Belle will eventually recover her memories and remain an anchor of support for him, regardless of his past wrongdoings, and even if Bae is angry in the beginning, I have complete confidence that he'll come around and make amends with his father. Henry will have Emma, the Charmings, his father, and likely, grandfather Gold.

Who's Regina going to have for any kind of love and support, inspite of her own misdeeds?! Nobody. Zero, zilch, nothing, a big fat goose egg!!! She's alone. Cora is not going to be her 'light at the end of the tunnel' because we've already seen that she is not sincere in her efforts to really make amends with her daughter. She has an agenda and Regina is just a pawn in that game, once again. But because she has nobody, Regina is embracing a false hope. I fear what she'll do when things turn sour with her mother and the truth comes out. Because Archie is nowhere in sight and clearly isn't in the picture anymore.

I didn't think about that scenario, but, wow, yeah - I can see it. If Cora dies by the end of the season, who will be the main antagonist?! Regina seems the likely candidate given her complete isolation from other characters. She has no family, no love ones, no friends, no true love waiting for her. And that sucks, because that reeks of plot device so they can keep their nice little black and white set up of the good guys v. the bad guys. Spare me.


I think you mean adoptive parent, right?! Because foster parents, at least in my country, are defined the way you described. By law, they are temporary guardians who take care of a child|children until a parent is capable. Sometimes, it leads to termination of parental rights in really bad cases and then some foster parents might transition to adoptive parents, which is legally binding.

And I didn't give much thought to that but you're right, I've come across the same argument regarding the handling of adoption material on OUAT. In the Regina|Henry case, they obviously used it as a platform for getting Emma and Neal back together with Henry. King George and James?! James turned out to be a 'bad egg' under his influence. Someone else pointed out that when Grace and Jefferson reunited, her foster parents weren't given a second thought but even with the memories back, I highly doubt they forgot the 28 years they spent taking care of the little girl.

Yeah, I don't get it either, because I could have sworn I read awhile back someone saying that the creators 'allegedly' claimed to support or like the Regina and Henry's relationship, and they made the claim that Regina 'IS his mother.' But, no, the writing sure isn't reflecting that sentiment, is it?!

It's used as a basis to claim she is unfit but even if that hypothetically was true in the past {which I don't fully agree with}, it didn't apply to this season when she was changing but still being crapped on regardless as a mother who wanted to be better and love her son properly. It will never make sense to me for the characters to know that Henry believed in Regina changing, yet, blocking shared custody was the result.

You know, what's so pathetic and sad is that if Emma and the Charmings were just willing to work Henry's custody/visitation out with Regina, Cora wouldn't even have a leg to stand on with Regina right now?! Ugh.

You're welcome for the thread.

Persephone

GrhmLz

It's been a trend since S1, for Regina to be the fall guy in ANYTHING Regina and Gold conspire to do together. Case in point: Kathryn's abduction. He not only made a deal with Regina and twisted the terms {people like to give him credit because he did't actually kill her but in my eyes that doesn't make him necessarily better}, but he came up with the WHOLE scenario for Regina in the first place because he wanted her to get his assault charges dropped, LOL. Yet, when it all fell apart, like I'm guessing he expected it to, or maybe helped to push things in that direction, it's Regina that takes all the heat.

Heck, even when Gold is made known to be responsible for things, like having created the curse and creating the Savior for it, the other characters still don't treat it seriously. Instead, they focus all their energy and anger into the one who enacted the curse, not stopping to think and ask questions that make sense, for instance ... 'Geez, does this make Regina a pawn in the game as well?'

It wouldn't surprise me. That's why I NEVER take anything writers say at face value, not ever. I've learnt my lesson with that.

I'm getting so frustrated and to the point where I want Henry out of Regina's storylines completely. I want some new character blood for her because I'm sick of the 'round robin' game that is ... HENRY. It's not like Henry is written to care anymore so, I'm almost rooting for her to free herself from this mess and move on. Heck, with her efforts to change, I'm sure she can adopt again and there are plenty of homeless and parentless children out there in need of a home. Maybe it'll do her some good to create some family ties that don't ultimately tie back into FTL.

It doesn't take brain science to know that Neal and Regina will clash over Henry. And since Neal is likely Bae, Mr. Gold now has the 'Henry card' to play over Regina's head and I don't like that either.

Don't feel bad because I've always liked the Gold|Regina dynamic, since S1, and aside from Regina's flashbacks, Rumple's are normally my second favorite in the most interesting department. But I do take issues with the writing of double standards when it comes to their respective characters. That is what I'm taking issue with.

Well, if that turns out to be the case, they can kiss a good portion of their Evil Regal fanbase good-bye, I guarantee it, myself included. I won't waste investing my time then because Regina is now the main reason I watch the show and it's because of her acting and her story from the first part of the season. I know other fandoms are popular too in OUAT but Gold AND Regina are among the two fan favorites and if they risk isolating one's arc in complete favor of the other, viewers will leave. That's just a fact, too many people are already saying that this 'tragic writing' nonsense is already overkill when it comes to Regina. I know the ratings have been declining recently for other reasons but I honestly don't think it's just because of grammy's and football etc. I think there is a declining interest due to the writing direction this season as well.

I think there are viewers who just never believed in the Regina redemption arc to begin with so, whatever Regina does they'll find fault with. Whatever - I know what I was seeing and I can go back and quote my own interpretative examples on how I know she was changing. What 'changed' now - is writing direction, not Regina. They've rushed this in favor of the Neal=Bae reveal, I just have that feeling about it.

meraki

Thanks for the new thread

Persephone

Bookworm25

Sweeeet new thread!