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Sparks Fly {ZღW} #44: You come in waves, we crash & we roll. You surround me, pull me, drown me, then swallow me whole.


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z o e w a d e

appreciation thread

"You notice how whenever I come around there's always s p a r k s?"

Neighbors, Wade and Zoe have an obvious attraction to one another- an attraction that nearly turned into more during the heat wave. Wade has swooped in to Zoe's rescue a number of times- as her driver, entering his gumbo under her name in the Gumbo Cook-Off, staying with her through the night, etc. Wade was relieved to hear that Zoe didn't think she and Judson were meant to be, and was even able to cheer her up about the situation with Judson afterward. Wade is also extremely reluctant to install the new fusebox Lavon purchases, even lying to Lavon about his electrical skills.

" r a i n check?"

Lavon soon catches on and encourages Wade to be honest with Zoe about his f e e l i n g s for her, and he attempts to do so while driving her to the airport for her to return home to New York for Thanksgiving, but the attempt falls through when she changes plans and decides to stay in Bluebell. Wade gets visibly jealous of Zoe and George's association with one another, and even confronts his friend, George about it, suggesting he stay away from Zoe. Later, after the Miss Cinnamon Cider Pageant, he asks Zoe out for a drink at the Rammer Jammer, to which she smiles and asks for a raincheck.

shippers.
001. AlwaysCB
002. until morning
003. Chrissalaugha
004. Elena_1716
005. RachelOnline
006. Andra
007. noelle
008. Cosmic Love
009. ssbailey
010. ~ Fire & Ice ~
011. xlennie
012. Emღ
013. Comfortably Numb
014. tsforever
015. herOwenAdd
016. jules166
017. ~anni~
018. McQueenFanGirl
019. Tutor_Girl
020. TwilightPrincess
021. Blair.
022. nhlover4ever
023. mstara
024. Leneoth
025. Empty Handed
026. FallBackDown
027. blazing star
028. safetywords
029. Sincerely, Me.
030. NBalways
031. JaSam4Life
032. SweetAsCandy
033. shortycm18
034. forever yours
035. Laurababora
036. Ashley486
037. chrisclana
038. Sixon_Love
039. Velvetsen
040. hlgreenie
041. tvshowjunkie
042. DiamondDreaming
043. - Nina -
044. Phoebe83
045. literati loverxo
046. Anastasyia
047. coca colie
048. SkateGirl88
049. luvDelena
050. TruLove
051. SpuffyxDelena
052. sparklingdarkness
053. Never Harm You
054. LittleDevotional
055. marmuzetka
056. Something Special
057. LoVeJunkie
058. headstrongshiho
059. LadyBrean
060. WonderlandGabby
061. emilie.s2.derena
062. sillycilla
063. Brucas_Is_Love
064. then you must kiss me
065. Janelle
066. Slayerfan714
067. Annie-Day10♥'
068. Sweetgirl465
069. cutenkrazyk16!
070. Neda16
071. buffysmgfan26
072. myys_PL
073. kayless
074. LostinKP
075. Rickylious
076. Zoey_Wade
077. Donnasos
078. Gumdrops
079. JustJenna
080. pamela5872
081. Playing The Angel
082. CrashandBurn9
083. noos
084. amelia.amour
085. Queen of Babble
086. kings05
087. -CrazyBeautiful-
088. PinkMartini
089. theresadawn
090. bicuitfun241
091. willyoubemycharizard
092. MPFan09
093. Laurène
094. only girl
095. Lostcandy
096. rrpdsks
097. s e r e n i t y
098. watram
099. starryeyesxx
100. L i N d $ @ y
101. Kristina23
102. Carolina95
103. revolution.
104. SaphSeraphine
105. ninkagv22
106. feels|like|home
107. coldnights
108. andziaaa1987
109. tash26
110. freckles101
111. ravengirl008
112. anna0000
113. snatches of sunshine
114. Lisa2011
115. quin611
116. AnnaJer
117. amschafe
118. sarahkw04
119. ~Naleylove22~
120. SweetSymphony
121. backstreetboysfan
122. MissMontyH
123. mackayfire
124. anjelia
125. Daph
126. pixiestyx
127. sixon4lyfe
128. UndertheRadar
129. sunflower 654
130. Shay-La
131. ForgotMyUserNameDamn
132. skje
133. kasia0504
134. xobrwneyedgrl93
135. stekko
136. B.Davis-Baker
137. rosysummy
138. redrose13
139. QueenDunham
140. malv
141. Josie2288
142. JaSam4Life
143. Fall Out Girl <3
144. mirs13
145. warangel88
146. lulu-144
147. Pally
148. xkellyx
149. spicy_girl
150. NaleyOTH123
151. Brighteyes22
152. lenaguffi
153. Addiction
154. Megz1989
155. J0uliia
156. Aenilen
157. MVitto
158. hollyelizabeth3
159. rn202
160. Ankatje
161. kitpurr
162. xoSummero
163. Jarr&Canna
164. mylulugirl
165. Zapple
166. alipap3
167. lazygirl
168. Amalia_F
169. ●Petrovafire
170. sailthesky
171. x-spacecadet-x
172. B.Chambers
173. ixluvxchilly
174. Priya
175. diavoletta89
176. zinny
177. HeatherMarie
178. BrItTaNy62
179. POPIXIE
180. Two-Core-Aura
181. tvchick1191
182. JulieB
183. chairdelenaradrian
184. liaaanne
185. helps
186. NancyT
187. loezzzje
188. BlondeDr<3
189. Ella_Ocean
190. Tracie76
191. amoRBD
192. TouTou07
193. Folie
194. ***BLONDIE***
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196. rebelsoul
197. CarlaTVD
198. tranquility
199. .Javeria.
200. Jarr&Canna
201. magicmerlin
202. Sara Caffrey
203. seabreeze
204. debita
205. Lostbeth
206. MaybeLove.
207. Hope137
208. Maria102375
209. pontelospapes
210. Nina82
211. stilestilinski
212. tvchick1191
213. jetbox2


honorary.
001. Wilson Bethel
002. Rachel Bilson
003. Lavon Hayes
004. Shelley
005. Kristin dos Santos
006. Rose Hattenbarger

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the reasons.
001. Because he liked her nightgown.
002. Because that smile might work on the girls at the church social, but it's not going to work on her.
003. Because he'd offer to give her a ride, but he doesn't want her getting any ideas.
004. Because she was making out with the electricity-stealing buffoon from next door.
005. Because a gentleman never tells.
006. Because if she ever need a cup of sugar, anything, he'll be right next door.
007. Because he remembers how capable those hands of hers are.
008. Because "you notice how whenever I come around, there's always sparks?"
009. Because "it's a rope. you are so city."
010. Because "what's the second rule? apply pressure to side of boob?"
011. Because he made her entry for the gumbo cook-off, and didn't take any credit.
012. Because "for the 400th time, I don't need your advice, your help, or your Alabama lovin.'"
013. Because there's one thing she's wanted to do since she first got here.
014. Because she had a very lucid fantasy about him dripping wet and shirtless.
015. Because her version of fun looks different from his version of fun.
016. Because now she knows there's a snake in the water.
017. Because "you sure are taking your time with that bandage, doc"
018. Because she doesn't want anything to drink so...
019. Because his place, 11:30... he'll be there.
020. Because she's just not that kind of girl.
021. Because he caught her skinny dipping.
022. Because when all those nice, church-going people get sweeped up to heaven in a rapture, it's gonna just be the two of them to repopulate the earth.
023. Because he remembers boxed wine being her ****ty, achiles high heel.
024. Because "look at the doc down there, she's about to pee her pants"
025. Because she thought what he did for his dad was heroic.
026. Because he thinks her blowing the power is some kind of mating call.
027. Because "you are a certified crazy person, you know that? and traditionally I'd find that hot, but in your case, I think I'm cured!"
028. Because "so you didn't wake me up for sex?"
029. Because his services haven't even been used.
030. Because he didn't expect to meet Zoe's mother so soon in their relationship.
031. Because traditionally in a yes-no situation, the argument goes to the guy with the hatchet.
032. Because he stayed over, and he rescued her.
033. Because it musta been a ghost that smacked her butt.
034. Because.. raincheck?
035. Because she knows what his favorite pickles are.
036. Because they've had some tension, and they had a moment at Christmas.
037. Because if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then the doctor of the duck is bangin' Zoe Hart.
038. Because "you know all that fighting we do? that's foreplay".
039. Because "an emergency? this means war!"
040. Because "you and I have some chemistry... why don't you just admit it... you like me."


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the soundtrack.


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Zoe & Wade LJ
HoD Web
Rachel Bilson Online
Wilson Bethel Online
future titles
"Last night, you and I connected. Last night, something happened between us." ~ Zoe
"I finally understand what R. Kelly's been singing about all these years." ~ Zoe
"There's more to him than I thought." ~ Zoe
"I don't like you" "Yeah, see.. I don't really care" "Stop talking!"
"You are a walking country song, Doctor Hart."
"Working with her is awesome. She's just a really cool down to earth girl." ~ Wilson about Rachel
"We have a lot of fun & we share a similar sense of humor. I count her as a friend." ~ Wilson about Rachel
"In the long term, it’s all Wade, baby!" ~Wilson Bethel
"W is confronted with the possibility of having to grow up a bit & Z is kind of bringing that out in him." ~WB
"You know, it’s not like I never thought about having sex with you."
"I can see through your shirt when you do that." "Shut up.. oh! Does it help?
"You were freaking out. I thought I'd snap you out of it with my generic beer breath!" ~Wade
"I saw what you did for you dad. I thought it was kind of heroic." ~Zoe
"So you didn’t wake me up for sex?" ~Wade
"It's gonna be just you and me left to repopulate the earth." ~Wade
Just a kiss on your lips in the moonlight. Just a touch of the fire burning so bright.
I've never opened up to anyone so hard to hold back when I'm holding you in my arms.
Just a shot in the dark that you just might be the one I've been waiting for my whole life.
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And you know what, every time I see that endless list of ZW shippers, it just makes me so happy!
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ZW are so good together I can see why so many love them.
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And I still don't know where his love for Zoe ever came from and to the extent he was spouting off in this episode. They have shown me nothing so far that proves to me that Zoe and George have this grand love. They both have confessed their "feelings" to each other without the other having to work for it. It is all just too easy. Nothing has been earned. So like others have said I find his words very hallow.

Is it just me that thinks this is intentionally done by the writers??? Yes, I do think they wanted George to come off better to some people. But I also think they wanted the audience to have questions, like "why is he changing his mind so quickly and making all these declarations, can we trust what he's saying?" Stuff like that. Just because they wanted it to sound pretty doesn't mean they wanted everyone to eat up his words and trust him completely. Like everyone has said, he's said similar things to Lemon days before. Highly doubt we're supposed to completely ignore this. LG from what I've seen doesn't say much in interviews and plays coy. George has been written with flaws just like Wade, it's not like the writers don't know that, these characters are theirs, unless they don't know their own characters.

IDK....yeah, I absolutely DO think that they wanted more people to like GZ initially, but just for the sake of the triangle, not because they want everyone to like GZ and dislike ZW, but because they wanted it more even at least at first.

To me they wanted people to like Wade. Ep. 2 and 4 in the very beginning of the season gave me that impression. The whole first half of the season except for 1 ep. was mainly ZW and so many amazing scenes and not ZG, and so many fell for them during this time. If they didn't want people to like the pairing, they wouldn't have done that. I have to trust that the writers knew what they were writing. If they didn't intend the show to be a triangle before it started, I'm guessing they had to have fully changed their minds by the time they actually got into writing, because it was a full on love triangle by ep. 2.

I don't know, when I ship I always go with my gut instinct and what couple I really *feel* from the narrative shown, and there were things about ZW that stood out from the beginning, like ep. 2-4, and it had nothing to do with the bad boy thing....I've shipped a lot and I've shipped all types of pairings. I definitely don't automatically go for the bad boy, very far from it...in fact I don't see Wade as one...bad boys are supposed to be "dangerous" or have that element of danger and that's not there with Wade. He's a good guy who can be immature, insecure, and in the past a playboy.

It comes down to portraying two different guys and two different types of romance, but I feel ZW has been portayed as the one that seems like it can't work but then eventually becomes a whole lot more and with the connection that has always been there (symbolized by the fuse box even from the pilot). ZW is the type of romance that the characters themselves don't consider at first but ends up being everything they didn't know they wanted. If you know what I mean?

My honest impression? George is this guy Zoe was infatuated with from the start and that she built up in her head but then later down the line could really realize that she is not right for. I've believed there's an important reason they've portrayed Zoe as not being experienced in love and fixating on George as soon as she came in from NY. This is when she was missing NY and was vulnerable, and had a "type" that she believed was right for her from NY and her mother's influence. George is EXACTLY the type of guy Zoe would have gone for in NY. But now that she's in Bluebell and she's questioning her life and evolving is what she thought she wanted before going to be what she ends up wanting????............ ZG will happen of course at some point but I don't think it will be all that Zoe had imagined.

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And to be fair and honest while I do believe that Wade has feelings for Zoe and she is starting to have some for him, I don't believe they are deep yet. They still need to get to know one another and have something real. I just see more potential there for a grand love than Zoe and George.
I agree with all this, except I think they already have something real..their friendship, and they've always had that spark and intangible connection (which is why I love that the fuse box is used throughout the show with them). They have that friendship and although they've both made mistakes with each other Wade has been there for Zoe and Zoe has started to see that there's more to him than meets the eye, not to even mention the good things Wade has done that she doesn't know about. She's already calling him out about his walls, that's a good start.

I don't think it's love yet or anything, but I do think Wade is a farther along then Zoe as far as feelings are concerned. He just won't admit it right now of course because of the George factor and his insecurities.
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Is it just me that thinks this is intentionally done by the writers??? Yes, I do think they wanted George to come off better to some people. But I also think they wanted the audience to have questions, like "why is he changing his mind so quickly and making all these declarations, can we trust what he's saying?" Stuff like that. Just because they wanted it to sound good doesn't mean they wanted everyone to eat up his words and trust him completely. George has been written with flaws just like Wade, it's not like the writers don't know that, these characters are theirs, unless they don't know their own characters.

IDK....yeah, I absolutely DO think that they wanted more people to like GZ initially, but just for the sake of the triangle, not because they want everyone to like GZ and dislike ZW, but because they wanted it more even at least at first.

To me they wanted people to like Wade. Ep. 2 and 4 in the very beginning of the season gave me that impression. The whole first half of the season except for 1 ep. was mainly ZW and so many amazing scenes and not ZG, and so many fell for them during this time. If they didn't want people to like the pairing, they wouldn't have done that. I have to trust that the writers knew what they were writing. If they didn't intend the show to be a triangle before it started, I'm guessing they had to have fully changed their minds by the time they actually got into writing, because it was a full on love triangle by ep. 2.

I don't know, when I ship I always go with my gut instinct and what couple I really *feel* from the narrative shown, and there were things about ZW that stood out from the beginning, like ep. 2-4, and it had nothing to do with the bad boy thing....I've shipped a lot and I've shipped all types of pairings. I definitely don't automatically go for the bad boy...in fact I don't see Wade as one exept the womanizing part...bad boys are supposed to be "dangerous" or have that element of danger and that's not there with Wade. He's a good guy who can be immature and in the past a playboy.

I guess it comes down to portraying two different guys and two different types of romance, but I feel ZW has been portayed as the one that seems like it can't work but then eventually becomes a whole lot more and with the connection has always been there (symbolized by the fuse box even from the pilot).

I felt like ZG was always like that romance the two characters involved think will be so great but then when they get together realize it's totally not, while ZW is the one the characters don't consider at first and don't think will happen but ends up being everything they didn't know they wanted. If you know what I mean? I guess I see the show very differently than a lot of people here.
I've always thought George was this guy Zoe was infatuated with and built up in her head but then later down the line would realize that she was not right for. I guess I've believed there's a reason they've portrayed Zoe as not being experienced in love and fixating on George as soon as she came in from NY, when she was missing NY and was vulnerable, and had a "type" that she felt was right for her from NY, and her mother's influence. George is EXACTLY the type of guy Zoe would have gone for in NY. But now that she's in Bluebell is what she thought she wanted before going to be what she ends up wanting?............ ZG will happen of course at some point but I don't think it will be all that Zoe has imagined it to be.



I agree with all this, except I think they already have something real, and they've always had that spark and intangible connection (which is why I love that the fuse box is used throughout the show with them). They have a friendship and although they've both made mistakes with each other Wade has been there for Zoe and Zoe has seen that there's more to him than meets the eye. She's already calling him out about his walls.

I don't think it's love yet or anything, but I do think Wade is a bit farther along then Zoe as far as feelings are concerned but of course right now because of the George factor he's so closed off.
Great insight. I agree with you. I don't think the intention was to be pro GZ at all. I do think they are trying to get more people to like George or understand him more. And they do intend to show him as having more flaws. I just sometimes wonder at the execution of it. I think they are so committed to this triangle idea and that it actually is the weakest part for me. Sometimes it seems like to get it to work that is when we start getting angry Wade like last season and assy Wade in the first episode. Yes both traits are there but he was never that harsh at the beginning of the season. A smart ass yes. I just wish they'd find a way to write for GZ that didn't have to come at the expense of Wade's character.

I don't know when they intended the triangle but I do agree the writing was there from the beginning to set it up that way. I think when they initially conceived the show they thought of Zoe and George as the it couple. The writing is there to support that. And RB gave an interview recently that does confirm that was the plan. Then they started developing Wade's character. I think that most is due to WB and the ability he has with the character. They must have realized that they had something and went with it. The first part of last season was very pro-ZW. I don't think they realized how well ZW would catch on as a couple let alone Wade as a character. I'm with you.

And again in agreement on the description of both types of romances. As for the real comment. I do think that Zoe and Wade have something real, but it is in the very beginning stages. I think I was referring to a real relationship not their connection. The connection has been there since early on. I actually think that Zoe and Wade get each other. That is why he is able to push her buttons. He knows what works. And again as you stated she is starting to get him too. Last season she never would have recognized that the angry outbursts were his walls coming up and him retreating. She knew immediately this time what he was doing. I think she was able to finally see the real him that night (which unfortunately we won't ever get to see). He had no reason at all to have any walls up that night. He was in a good place and thought they were moving forward. She had come to him instead of it being the other way. She chose to be with him.

And honestly I think she made her choice that night of the fuse box. I think she wanted to be with Wade and just wanted him to give her something anything to give her reason to pick him. In the end it didn't matter because that is essentially what she did anyway. I think that night she decided to see where things would go with Wade.
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Is it just me that thinks this is intentionally done by the writers??? Yes, I do think they wanted George to come off better to some people. But I also think they wanted the audience to have questions, like "why is he changing his mind so quickly and making all these declarations, can we trust what he's saying?" Stuff like that. Just because they wanted it to sound pretty doesn't mean they wanted everyone to eat up his words and trust him completely. Like everyone has said, he's said similar things to Lemon days before. Highly doubt we're supposed to completely ignore this. LG from what I've seen doesn't say much in interviews and plays coy. George has been written with flaws just like Wade, it's not like the writers don't know that, these characters are theirs, unless they don't know their own characters.

IDK....yeah, I absolutely DO think that they wanted more people to like GZ initially, but just for the sake of the triangle, not because they want everyone to like GZ and dislike ZW, but because they wanted it more even at least at first.
I really enjoyed your post. I never thought of it that way. I took the pessimistic road (from a Z/W shipper's perspective) and assumed the writers were trying to get us to love George. Yes, to even out the triangle, but also because they screwed up their "it" relationship by making most fans like Wade better. You could definitely be right, though: The writers know that not everyone will buy what George is selling, so to speak .

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To me they wanted people to like Wade. Ep. 2 and 4 in the very beginning of the season gave me that impression. The whole first half of the season except for 1 ep. was mainly ZW and so many amazing scenes and not ZG, and so many fell for them during this time. If they didn't want people to like the pairing, they wouldn't have done that. I have to trust that the writers knew what they were writing. If they didn't intend the show to be a triangle before it started, I'm guessing they had to have fully changed their minds by the time they actually got into writing, because it was a full on love triangle by ep. 2.
Again, good point. They introduced the love triangle and particularly the Z/W dynamic early on. If they didn't want people to love Wade, they're terrible writers. I forget that what we see on our screens was deliberately set up by the writers. Why set something great up only to disappoint the majority of your fans?

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My honest impression? George is this guy Zoe was infatuated with from the start and that she built up in her head but then later down the line could really realize that she is not right for. I've believed there's an important reason they've portrayed Zoe as not being experienced in love and fixating on George as soon as she came in from NY. This is when she was missing NY and was vulnerable, and had a "type" that she believed was right for her from NY and her mother's influence. George is EXACTLY the type of guy Zoe would have gone for in NY. But now that she's in Bluebell and she's questioning her life and evolving is what she thought she wanted before going to be what she ends up wanting????............ ZG will happen of course at some point but I don't think it will be all that Zoe had imagined.
I've often thought this but have never been able to articulate it so well. George is her connection to NY. Their similarities and love for NY is the basis of their relationship. However, this whole show is centered around Zoe moving to Alabama, getting out of her comfort zone, and changing as a person. From a narrative standpoint, her developing a relationship with Wade makes more sense. Of course this is my opinion. I'm sure G/Z fans would say otherwise.

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And honestly I think she made her choice that night of the fuse box. I think she wanted to be with Wade and just wanted him to give her something anything to give her reason to pick him. In the end it didn't matter because that is essentially what she did anyway. I think that night she decided to see where things would go with Wade.
I like this thought. I did get the vibe that Zoe would have chosen Wade if he would've stepped up and thrown his hat, instead of his pants, into the ring. However, I do think Zoe's words to George in the cafe were genuine. But in the moment, the way she was feeling the night after her A+ sex (and not to mention the "connection") with Wade, I think she would've chosen him. I guess we'll never find out, will we?
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I like this thought. I did get the vibe that Zoe would have chosen Wade if he would've stepped up and thrown his hat, instead of his pants, into the ring. However, I do think Zoe's words to George in the cafe were genuine. But in the moment, the way she was feeling the night after her A+ sex (and not to mention the "connection") with Wade, I think she would've chosen him. I guess we'll never find out, will we?
I'm waiting for the baby goat to cry out now! Seriously though ITA that Z was all about W in that episode underneath all the idyllic seeming ZG scenes. From the first moment, it's W she's is pursuing, wanting to know his feelings and all, not G. Even the scene in the cafe, although I think it's genuine because letting go of your fantasy guy overnight is not easy by any means, I was also struck by how disappointed she sounded when she said that her night with W was just a way to get over G "Apparently, that's it". I saw it as her saying that in reaction to what W is trying to make her think by being dismissive and she seemed pretty down about it because she was hoping for more.

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IDK....yeah, I absolutely DO think that they wanted more people to like GZ initially, but just for the sake of the triangle, not because they want everyone to like GZ and dislike ZW, but because they wanted it more even at least at first.
I agree, but like Tracie, I think they were clumsy in the way they did it then as they've been before by having W come off to harsh.

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To me they wanted people to like Wade. Ep. 2 and 4 in the very beginning of the season gave me that impression. The whole first half of the season except for 1 ep. was mainly ZW and so many amazing scenes and not ZG, and so many fell for them during this time. If they didn't want people to like the pairing, they wouldn't have done that. I have to trust that the writers knew what they were writing. If they didn't intend the show to be a triangle before it started, I'm guessing they had to have fully changed their minds by the time they actually got into writing, because it was a full on love triangle by ep. 2.
Oh I have no doubt in my mind that they wanted a triangle from very early on - like you said, I fell in love with ZW as early as 2 and 3, mainly because of the obvious spark that they had onscreen. They are just so much fun to watch together

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I don't know, when I ship I always go with my gut instinct and what couple I really *feel* from the narrative shown, and there were things about ZW that stood out from the beginning, like ep. 2-4, and it had nothing to do with the bad boy thing....I've shipped a lot and I've shipped all types of pairings. I definitely don't automatically go for the bad boy, very far from it...in fact I don't see Wade as one...bad boys are supposed to be "dangerous" or have that element of danger and that's not there with Wade. He's a good guy who can be immature, insecure, and in the past a playboy.
Totally agree about the gut feeling thing and it has been telling me that ZW are it almost from the start (except the pilot in fact). I admit to liking the love-hate relationship type of thing a lot, but I also just go with what I feel from the story I'm seeing develop. The development between ZW seems to be organic and to lead to them being together in the end. Also, one of the things that made me love W so much was the gumbo and it's about as far from being a bad boy as you can get. Like Tracie said, he's a smart ass and I love his funny zingers and the way he likes to get under Z's skin all the time, but it's the underlaying sweetness that makes him so great also.

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It comes down to portraying two different guys and two different types of romance, but I feel ZW has been portayed as the one that seems like it can't work but then eventually becomes a whole lot more and with the connection that has always been there (symbolized by the fuse box even from the pilot). ZW is the type of romance that the characters themselves don't consider at first but ends up being everything they didn't know they wanted. If you know what I mean?
I know exactly what you mean and I totally agree with it. I feel like it's between the one you want (rational) and the one you need (emotional). Z has always had her plans and G fits it so well, yet the whole point of her coming to Bluebell was to get to know her heart and I think she's finding out that you can't rationalize who you fall for and surprisingly for her, it's W that gets under her skin and that she can't seem to shake off.

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I agree with all this, except I think they already have something real..their friendship, and they've always had that spark and intangible connection (which is why I love that the fuse box is used throughout the show with them). They have that friendship and although they've both made mistakes with each other Wade has been there for Zoe and Zoe has started to see that there's more to him than meets the eye, not to even mention the good things Wade has done that she doesn't know about. She's already calling him out about his walls, that's a good start.
Absolutely they do - plus they have something else: they know each other. Not just in a casual way, but they've actually seen the best and worst in each other and still want to be around the other person. That's a great foundation to build a relationship on IMO.
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I'm waiting for the baby goat to cry out now! Seriously though ITA that Z was all about W in that episode underneath all the idyllic seeming ZG scenes. From the first moment, it's W she's is pursuing, wanting to know his feelings and all, not G. Even the scene in the cafe, although I think it's genuine because letting go of your fantasy guy overnight is not easy by any means, I was also struck by how disappointed she sounded when she said that her night with W was just a way to get over G "Apparently, that's it". I saw it as her saying that in reaction to what W is trying to make her think by being dismissive and she seemed pretty down about it because she was hoping for more.
I so agree about the cafe scene. She was saying sweet things to George as she was rejecting him, and I do think she has genuine feelings for him, but the "Apparently, that's it" was revealing.

I also agree about the Pilot: That's the only one where I strongly felt it was G/Z we were supposed to root for. Oh, and maybe Destiny & Denial because there were no W/Z scenes (I don't think) and they brought Tansy into the mix.
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