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Old 06-28-2018, 02:52 PM
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David | Juan #13: "I glimpse us, Cesare. Two brothers in harmony, walking together." - Juan to Cesare

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"I glimpse us, Cesare. Two brothers in harmony, walking together." – Juan to Cesare



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Juan Borgia

Juan Borgia, 2nd duke of Gandía, was the son of Pope Alexander VI the second of the Pope's four children by Vanozza Cattanei. He born in Rome in 1476. He was made 2nd Duke of Gandia, Duke of Sessa, Grand Constable of Naples, Governor of St. Peter's, and Gonfalonier and Captain General of the Church and married Maria Enriquez de Luna, the Spanish betrothed of his deceased older half-brother, Pedro Luis, in September 1493. They had two children: Juan de Borja y Enriquez (known as Juan Borgia), who became the 3rd duke of Gandía, and Francisca de Jesus Borja, who became a nun at a convent in Valladolid. Juan is also the grandfather of Saint Francis Borgia.

On Borgia Maria Enriquez was portrayed by Colombian actress Monica Lopera.


He was murdered the night of 14 June 1497 near what later became the Piazza della Giudecca in the Ghetto of Rome. It has been speculated that either his brother Cesare or Joffre Borgia had him murdered, the former because of his ambitions to lead the papal armies in his stead, the latter because it was rumoured that Juan had an affair with his wife Sancia d'Aragón. Other suspects included the Orsini to whose estates Juan attacked in order to reclaim the fiefs for the pope and eventually himself. Juan's richly attired body was recovered from the Tiber River with 30 golden ducats untouched in the purse at his belt. To the immense grief of the pope, this act occasioned the heartless epigram by Sannazzaro on the pope as "fisher of men". Borgia's only attendant was also slain, so there were no known witnesses. Later when his brother Cesare was imprisoned in Spain, his wife Maria Enriquez tried to have him put on trial for Juan's murder.

Juan also is an essential part of many novels about the family and was portrayed in many movies and television series based on the Borgia's rise and fall. For instance most recently:

The Borgias (TV, 2011) played by David Oakes
Borgia (TV, 2011) played by Stanley Weber
Los Borgia (Movie, 2006) played by Sergio Muñiz
The Borgias (TV, 1981) played by George Camiller



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David Oakes

David Oakes (born in 1983 in Fordingbridge, Hampshire) is an English film, television and theatre actor. He was head boy at Bishop Wordsworth's School, in Salisbury, Wiltshire, where he was also heavily involved with the Salisbury Playhouse and their youth theatre, Stage 65. He graduated with a first in English Literature from the University of Manchester. From 2005 to 2007, Oakes attended the Bristol Old Vic Theatre School. In 2008 he was part of a BBC 4 radio play A Dance to the Music of the Time where he spoke the part of "Charles Stringham". Between 2008 and 2011 he was part of several stage and television production. For instance, he played the villainous "William Hamleigh" in the television miniseries The Pillars of the Earth (2010), produced by Ridley Scott. In 2011 he was cast as "Juan Borgia" in the television Showtime series The Borgias. He was cast in the role of "Justin" for the movie Truth or Dare? which will be released in 2012.





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- Bonekickers (Alfred Lord Tennyson) / 2008
- Walter's War (Private Oswald Hennessey) 2008
- Henry VIII: Mind of a Tyrant (George Cavendish) 2009
- Trinity (Ross Bonham) / 2009
- The Pillars of the Earth (William Hamleigh) / 2010
- The Borgias (Juan Borgia) / 2011
- World Without End (Bishop Henri) / 2012
- Truth Or Dare (Justin) / 2012
- Who Shall I Play With Now? (Gregory) / 2012
- Ripper Street (Victor Silver) / 2013
- The White Queen (George, Duke of Clarence) / 2013
- The Living and The Dead (Wllliam Payne) / 2016
- Victoria (Prince Ernest) / 2016-17









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- 2013: Pride And Prejudice by Jane Austen as Mr. Darcy (Open Air Theatre, Regents Park, London)
- 2011: Three Farces ("Slasher and Crasher", "A Most Unwarrantable Intrusion" and "Grimshaw, Bagshaw and Bradshaw") by John Maddison Morton as Samson Slasher and John Bagshaw (Orange Tree Theatre, London)
- 2009: All The Little Things We Crushed (World Premiere) by Joel Horwood as Hugh (Almeida Theatre, London)
- 2008: Mary Stuart by Friedrich Schiller as Mortimer (Traverse Theatre, Edinburgh)
- 2008: Journey's End by R. C. Sherriff as Raleigh (Mercury Theatre, Colchester)
- 2008: Old Vic New Voices: The Twenty-four Hour Plays as Davide (Old Vic Theatre)
- 2007: We the People (World Premiere) by Eric Schlosser as Charles Pinckney and Gunning Bedford Jnr (Shakespeare's Globe)
- 2007: Love's Labour's Lost by William Shakespeare as Dumaine (Shakespeare's Globe & International Tour)




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Old 06-28-2018, 02:57 PM
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Here's everyone's posts from the previous thread.

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Who exactly was Neil trying to kid?! Francois said that he + Holly were deliberately playing the sexual tension, and he was surprised when Neil suggested that they tone it down.


Why on earth incest would be a touchy subject for NJ, given the history of the Borgia family, is anyone's guess I can only think he just didn't want to rush into it.
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Cause supposedly he "didn't want to go there like the others" because well is not really proven that it happened, etc. So he wanted to play with it but not make it canon YET HE WROTE THAT PILOT those lines, those scenes... and he didn't want it to happen? wtf?
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Yeah, NJ said he didn't believe there was incest IRL. I disagree, but whatever. Cesare Borgia was so ruthless, who would've dared document proof of his incest with his sister? He beheaded household servants who spoke to outsiders, and even powerful men dared not cross him. Any proof would've been destroyed or killed .

NJ's writing and what he said are so contradictory. I agree, May, wtf? indeed Idk, maybe he just didn't want to admit to shipping incest? Like François said, murder, rape, torture, etc all ok, but incest oh no! It reminds me of Rodrigo when he was elected pope and told Vanozza they couldn't continue their relationship. She said must we take a vow of poverty as well? And he said God forbid! Lol
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That's hilarious, when you think that most of The Tudors plot lines were based on RUMORS rather than facts, & Neil sure as hell didn't care about accuracy when he gave Juan syphillis even though Cesare was the one who reportedly had the disease in real life.


Title suggestion : "I glimpse us, Cesare. Two brothers in harmony, walking together."
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Yeah well and Juan did terrible things in this show that actually Cesare did... but NJ thought that was fine, and the whole Paolo situation is quite different from what actually happened to Lucrezia during her first pregnancy, he would modify things all the time but I guess that one of the most popular topics about The Borgias is the incest so he thought it'd be worse to include that IDK.
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Old 06-28-2018, 03:00 PM
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Thanks for the new thread Alex!

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Thanks Alex! I hope you're enjoying your day off from the job from hell

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Thanks Alex! I hope your enjoying your day off from the job from hell
You're welcome, Lila! Yeah, I am.

I'm going to be doing a movie watch on another board soon, just so you know why I'm not here.
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Thanks for the new thread, Alex! And I love the title, great choice. Sorry to be nitpicky but I don't think there should be a comma after Juan to Cesare. Perhaps you can fix this? Thanks a bunch!
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You're welcome, Nina! And it wasn't my title choice, it was Gwen's.

I fixed the title and got rid of the comma, Nina.
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Thank you for that, Alex. And brilliant title, Gwen!
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Thank you for that, Alex. And brilliant title, Gwen!
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Season 1 was so good! Loved that scene in particular... the whole pilot!
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I loved how it was suggested in that scene that Cesare spent most mornings looking for Juan in brothels
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I got the distinct impression that he had. He said something like "don't let this be a recurring thing" and had that dominant big brother act where you just know that he's tired of Juan's antics giving the family a bad name (well, a worse name )
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