PhoenixRising

Thanks for that gif, Arinna!

Hi, Jemima! Well, don't tell Arinna, because she never thinks I'm right.

OMG, so he was really that bad? But he seemed to have some kind of revelation in that scene you posted. Did he ever redeem himself? And yeah, I get what you mean. I've seen a lot of series that deviated far from the books they were based on, and a lot of times it can get frustrating.

Ohh, so William wasn't in that scene in the book? That explains a lot. Yeah, it does show how affected William is by his beliefs, even if he is a contemptable character. It seems contradictory that this nasty, abhorrent man is also fearful of God and damnation. You'd think that would set him straight.

OMG, he was molested by his mother? No wonder he is the way he is. I guess it's understandable why people would find it difficult to have sympathy for him, but I would think that he's not entirely responsible and that his mother does bear some of the blame for how he turned out. I guess I do feel sorry for him in that respect.

Thanks. I have a thing for redheads, so I do find Lotte/Giulia attractive. Oh, and I definitely do like Lucrezia as well, especially when played by Holliday Grainger.

Well, I don't know if David would think it appropriate to kiss you on the lips. His lawyer might advise against it. Maybe on the cheek. And yes, I do think he'd wear that sign for a charity cause no matter how many female fans he has. I think he can handle it.

Yes, it is. Yes, Arinna is from Bulgaria, and when I was there I thought it was a beautiful country. Yes, I met Arinna before I went over there.

Awww, thanks for linking us that pic! That's really cute. I hope you can get to 100 posts soon so you can get a personal avatar. So that's where you got your nickname from? I love it. And it's okay, you can meow all you want to here. Arinna has three cats and loves them all.

Thanks for the video. I see what the problem is. David and the other actors are speaking in a very classical, Shakespearean dialect that is typical of Elizabethan era theater. Yeah, it can be difficult even for an English speaking person to understand because it's very old English that hardly anyone outside of theater uses. If I get time I'll try and see what they're saying. But don't worry, your regular English is just fine.

Jemima1205

Hi, Alex!

OMG
Ok, I won't tell her.

Well, in my opinion he was THAT bad.

It would be quite hard for William to redeem himself, considering how many bad things he's done, but if he'd only try...
In series he had some moments where you can clearly see that he kind of wanted to change.
That he had enough of his mother, her schemes, and her obsessive, unhealthy love for him.
There were two things that strongly influence on William, his mother and his faith. And unfortunately his mother's influence was stronger.
It was like he was torn between his mother (being obey to her, to his family, to make his mother proud of him) and faith. At least I saw it that way.
Without spoilers, I can only say that in some way he stood up to his mother and ended this unhealthy relation.
But unfortunately it didn't change anything. He still behaved tremendously despicable.
I really was hoping that he's gonna change after that, but sadly he didn't.

But in book, well... sadly there wasn't anything like that. There wasn't any willingness in him for changing himself.
Maybe sometimes he wondered if some of his parents' ideas/plans really were right, but he didn't do anything with that.
He was just doing whatever his parents told him to do.

As for revelation, as I said before, William almost always reacted that way whenever someone mention hell, or God.
His faith was strong, and everything what was connected with it had a huge influence on him.

Yup, in book he wasn't in that scene.

Exactly! And probably this make him such an interesting character. This whole duality.
That he believes in God, he is afraid of damnation, but on the other side his behaviour is totally opposite to behaviour of religious man.

Well, yes, she molested him. But only in series.
But as I said before, in book she was very demanding and overbearing (in series too, but not that much as in book).
She was always yelling at him, even when he was a child. And she was always unsatisfied with how he was doing her orders.
And she was also calling him dumb and was angry whenever he acted a little bit clumsy.
There were maybe few moments when she was satisfied with him and William was very happy then.
He really tried to impress her, to make her proud of him. But with such a woman like her... it wasn't very easy.
So both in book and in series she had a strong influence on his psyche. Even though that in book she didn't molest him.

I have a thing for all colors, I think.
But her hair is indeed very beautiful. It has such an intensive and luscious color.

As for Holliday Grainger, I saw her in a movie "Cinderella" from 2015, few weeks ago. She played one of the Cinderella's stepsisters, Anastasia.
And I was like: "Wait a minute, aren't these sisters supposed to be UGLY?! So why Holliday is playing Anastasia?! "

Heh, I know.
Kiss on the cheek would also send me to heaven, I suppose.

Hmmmm, it would be cool if someone would record it. And I would love to see this video!

When you were there, then did you meet her, in person?

Heh, thanks.
Yup, I got nick from this musical/character.

I also love cats, and dogs, and bunnies!

I understand it in 50/60 %, barely.

You could make subtitles for it? I would be grateful!

Thanks.



Hi, Arinna!

Aaaaaaaaw, I so love this gif! He makes me want to hug him!

BL.Arinna_1982

I wish you could do it.

PhoenixRising

Hi, Jemima! I'm sorry, I'm just getting to the board late, so I'm a little behind on my posting. I have to leave soon, so I promise I'll reply to your post tomorrow, okay? I'm off work after tomorrow so I'll have more time. See you tomorrow!

Jemima1205

This answer was to me?
To my post where I said that David really makes me want to hug him?
If yes, then I also wish! It would be so cool to hug him!


Okey dokey.
It's not SMS or skype, so you can answer whenever you want to and when you have time.

BL.Arinna_1982

Yes, hun. I really wish someday you are able to see him.

PhoenixRising

Hi, Jemima! And thanks.


Wow, all of that sounds really horrible. I can understand how his character is irredeemable, but at the same time I really do feel sorry for what he went through as a kid and how that must've affected him. Do you think he could've turned out differently if it hadn't been for his mother?

Well, at least his faith was strong, even if he was emotionally and psychologically damaged. Maybe that's part of why he had such fear of God.


Oh, I see. Thanks for explaining. So in the books she was just very emotionally abusive to him, but the series decided to take it a step further and have her molest him? I think that a lot of times, movies and TV shows decided to take things to the most extreme level for dramatic effect. But the way you describe her behavior in the books makes me feel very sorry for him.


Well, I do like blonde, brunette, and dark hair as well. But redheads are my thing.

Yep, I saw the advertisements for Cinderella. Cate Blanchette was in it as well. Yes, I noticed how the wicked stepmother and stepsisters were all beautiful in that movie. But that's Hollywood for you.

Awww, well then wish you could get to meet David.

Yes, I've been to Bulgaria many times and I met Arinna and stayed at her family's home.

You're welcome. And I love cats, dogs, and bunnies too. Arinna has a big German Shepherd and three beautiful cats.


Well, I'm not an expert in Shakespearean dialogue. I have trouble understanding what they're saying as well because it's theater talk. I'll see if I can try when I have time.

BL.Arinna_1982

Is there a new project he's in?

PhoenixRising

Nothing since the news about his horror movie, Cold Skin, Arinna.

BL.Arinna_1982

PhoenixRising

Thanks for the gif, Arinna!

Jemima1205

Hi, Alex!

No problem.

Yeah, I also kind of feel sorry for him. But still, he's done so many bad things that it's really hard to pity him.

Well, I don't know if he would be a different man if his mother would behave differently.
After all he grew up in a family who would do anything, at any cost, just to get what they wanted.
Maybe his father wasn't that bad for him like his mother was, but still, he wasn't saint either.
So I think that he could become a good man only if both of his parents would behave totally different, more decent and in accordance with the law.

Hmmmm, maybe you're right that because of what he went through his faith was so strong.
As I said before, I really think that William had very fragile and weak psyche.

Yup. But I think that screenwriters somehow took part of her personality/behaviour and replaced it with this whole "molesting" thing.
Because as I mentioned before, she wasn't that emotionally abusive in series.
It was like part of her horrible behaviour was replaced by this unhealthy love for his son. At least I saw it that way.

Oh, I see.
My friend also has a thing for redheads and when whe watched "Pillars" he was sooooo into Jack (character played by Eddie Redmayne).
I also love Jack, after all it's thanks to Eddie Redmayne I found "Pillars".
But I also couldn't take my eyes of David as William (well, mostly of his looks ), soo...
It's kind of weird that my friend totally loved Eddie's look as Jack, but in the same time he wasn't interested by David's look as William,
considering that both of them had red hair.
He said that David looks like some kind of pipsqueak/wimp.
Well, technically he called him "wypłosz" (from verb "wypłoszyć" = "flush out", "scare"), but it's hard for me to find the right word in English.

Aah, Hollwyood. Heh.

Wow, it's cool. How long you know each other?

Cool to hear that!
A dog and three cats, nice.
Do they live together in harmony? Dog with cats?

Maybe there is a script of this play somewhere on the net?
I tried to find it, but I hadn't any luck.



Hi, Arinna!

Aaaaaaaaaw, thanks.

Aaaaaw, I so love this scene from "Victoria".

BL.Arinna_1982

He looks good in historic dramas.

PhoenixRising

Hi, Jemima!

Well, you know his character better than I do. It's just from the way you describe his backstory I get the sense that a lot of things might've turned out differently for him if he had stable parents. Sure, his family was ruthless, but that doesn't mean he had to turn out the same way, or that if he hadn't suffered such abuse from his parents that he might've turned out differently. I guess we'll never know.


Yeah, I guess his fragile psyche is what compelled him to seek out meaning in religion and perhaps why he felt such reverence for it, even though he lacked the moral center that's supposed to come with it. And yes, I do think that TV writers sometimes try to just go with the most shocking thing rather than do something more nuanced because they probably think it would take too long or be too confusing to portray things like the book.


Oh, so you like Eddie, huh? I think he's okay. I saw him in Les Miserables. Eddie has since become a huge movie star. I guess David prefers a more modest career.
He said David looks like a wimp? I hardly think so. And thanks for the translation. It's okay, I understand what you mean.


Yeah, Hollywood annoys me sometimes.

Arinna and I have known each other since I came to Fan Forum in 2009. But we first met in person in 2013 when I visited her in her home country.

Well, not exactly. The dog lives in his own home out in the back yard and the cats are reluctant to go near him. They tease him and he barks at them. The male and female cat live in the back yard but they have their own house outside and they also like to sleep in the attic above Arinna's bedroom. Arinna's favorite cat lives with her in her bedroom. He's an indoor cat and he never goes outside. He's so spoiled. So are the other cats. But the outdoor cats tease him through Arinna's bedroom window.


I don't know, Jemima. It's not easy to find transcripts for shows or plays.

Jemima1205

Hi, Arinna!

Oh yes, he does look very good in historic dramas!



Hi, Alex!

Yup, maybe if he would have stable parents, then probably he could be a different man.

Well, you're right, there are many people who grew up in dysfunctional/pathological families and yet they grown up into decent, stable and good persons.
But as I said before, for me William was to weak to stand against his parents.
Well, it's normal that he couldn't do it when he was a child, 'cause he was too small and his fear of them (mostly of his mother) was stronger then.
But when he grown up, he still was kind of afraid, he still wasn't brave enough to stand against them. But that's just my opinion, that's how I see William.

Yup, totally. That's how I see him.

I don't know how it was with his parents' faith, but I think that they believed mainly because it was appropriate. They weren't truly believers, I think.
But if it was like I think, then William didn't have any good example of how to be a religious (and good) man, hence this lack of the moral center.

I adore Eddie! He's such a cutie pie!
I especially love him as Newt Scamander from "Fantastic Beasts".
He is soooo adorable and cute there! Such a cute, nerdy, dorky, shy guy!
It was my first movie with Eddie in it. And I just got immediately crazy about him since then.
I just can't wait to see a second part of "Fantastic Beasts", it's gonna be in cinemas in November this year.

As for David and his career, well, maybe you're right. Funny thing, I would love to see him and Eddie in some big movie!
It would be soooo cool if David would play some villain in third part of "Fantastic Beasts"!
But then I would have pretty conflicted feelings... two actors, who I adore, playing characters who fight with each other.

Yup, he called him that way. But for him "wypłosz" (pipsqueak/wimp) means something different then for me.
For him it means someone with an average/indistinctive look/beauty.

And here you have some synonyms of this word:
buffoon, craze/eccentric, weirdo, freak, ninny, insane, looney, nutty, crazy, wacko.
And I think that I can call that way 90% of my favorites male characters (I call them "crazes" "crushes" xD) from all movies and tv series that I watched.

Oh, I see. It must have been a pretty expensive trip, from the USA to Bulgaria. Or it wasn't?
It's like with me and my friend. But he lives in Poland, just like me.
He is from Warszawa (Warsaw) and I met him on a Polish "The Sims 2" forum, in 2008.
He was an admin of this forum/site and he was making some great stuff for that game.
I don't remember clearly, but I think that we met in person, like, in 2009.
I told my best friend (we went to junior high school together, he's also my neighbor ) about this "Sims 2" forum and he also registered there.
I introduced him to my Warsaw-friend and after a few months they befriended.
After some time, probably it was in 2009, this Warsaw-friend wanted to meet with my neighbor-friend, here in Wrocław.
But my neighbor-friend didn't want to go alone, so he asked me to go with him, 'cause he knew that I also know this Warsaw-friend.
And also 'cause I was the one who introduced them to each other.
I was very shy back then and my Warsaw-friend totally knew that, that's why he never asked me to meet with him in person.
But in the end I had to meet with him anyway, thanks to my neighbor-friend.
And that's how it was.

By the way, this Warsaw-friend is the one who called David "wypłosz"/"wimp".
And it's him with whom I watched "The Pillars of the Earth", "Victoria" and "The White Queen".
And currently we're watching "The Borgias", we ended first season.

Oh, I see.

So outdoor cats are teasing dog and also this indoor cat? OMG.

Yeah, I know.



PS Sorry that I wasn't answering for few days, but I am currently sick. I have a cold... or a flu... I don't know o_O.
The only thing I know is that I feel like a snotty zombie.