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Old 05-29-2018, 10:58 AM
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This was from that horror movie, Truth of Dare. Hated everyone except him in it actually, no, there was a blonde girl who was quite tough... Everyone else was expendable


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Y'all remember how gay these two were sometimes?


Actually, I always saw it more as the two of them competing for Lucrezia's affections and respect. You could tell in 2x03 that Juan after the sex scene with that random woman, when Lucrezia sneaks in his room, he wanted her love back knowing that he'd killed Paolo and therefore it probably wasn't gonna happen.
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If that was the reason for their fighting, Juan was always meant to lose.
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I just got that feeling Juan only started to look concerned about his rash actions towards Paolo when he saw the cold look on Lucrezia'a face. I think he desperately wanted Lucrezia to feel as protected by him as by Cesare, but the difference is that Juan was incapable of expressing himself as tenderly as his brother, therefore it all backfired on him.
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Old 05-30-2018, 01:53 PM
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Agreed.
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Thanks for reposting those, Gwen. I really miss the David scenes. It's been a while since we've seen him in anything.
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:31 AM
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I agree about Juan in some aspects.

Like him trying to "protect" Lucrezia but he always cared more about the family name and reputation more than about Lucrezia or Cesare because that's what was expected from him... so when he killed Paolo he did it for that reason specifically.

I do believe he felt out of the circle thanks to Cesare and Lucrezia and he desperately wanted to be part of it, however he had all the attention from Rodrigo so

I rarely saw competition in regards to Lucrezia in this version but I definitely saw it in Borgia if I remember correctly. Lucrezia even bothers Cesare by picking Juan for certain things and stuff.
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Juan was too spoiled, at least at that version of The Borgias. He always wanted to be the center of the attention.
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Thanks for reposting those, Gwen. I really miss the David scenes. It's been a while since we've seen him in anything.




I always felt sad that the writers reduced Juan to ~the enemy~ of Cesare and Lucrezia. It just seemed like a desperate attempt to demonize him with the intent to make fans not miss him after he's dead.


-- Didn't matter to me, I still missed him I thought the show was quite dull in a lot of ways without him.
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Unfortunately everyone has done that with Juan except maybe the Spanish Borgias TV Movie... although he was a villain, he wasn't as bad as Juan in TB and in Borgia (Juan in Borgia was by far the worse, he tried raping Lucrezia even)
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in Borgia (Juan in Borgia was by far the worse, he tried raping Lucrezia even)

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Don't even get me started... Lucrezia kills him in this adaptation
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I really prefer Juan in The Borgias.
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I loved the relationship between Juan and Rodrigo in The Borgias and it missed it deeply when David Oakes left. He said himself that he thinks the character was written out too soon.

...Having said that, he obviously didn't know how quickly it would be cancelled after his departure.





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It's so messy when different adaptations do different things with the characters.


It's especially awkward knowing that both shows could only proceed based on real-life rumors; way more than facts, anyway.


The Tudors (on Showtime) took a lot of liberties with particular people, for the sake of ~entertainment~
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I think that the show was cancelled only because, NJ said that he has no ideas what to do with the characters anymore. And the prove fo this we can find in his script that never happened.
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I think that the show was cancelled only because, NJ said that he has no ideas what to do with the characters anymore. And the prove fo this we can find in his script that never happened.

I can't stress enough how much I didn't like his proposed Season 4 script.


I think Juan basically received character assassination in Season 2 and I sort of got the impression from David Oakes' tone in interviews that he felt the same way.
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