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But the Borgias weren't nobility, so different rules applied to them. They were Catalans, interlopers, and had many powerful enemies. Cesare was very aware of what their enemies might do if they found proof of incest. He had to protect Lu and his family, so he always worried about someone finding out. When Ces brought Lu back to Rome in 3x09, she asked what would he do if Alf rode back to Naples? He said he wouldn't allow it. She pressed him and he made it clear Alf wasn't going anywhere. In that moment she knew Ces would kill him, but all she said was "He could cause public scandal if he were to intimate any impropriety between us". That's all she was concerned about - their incest being discovered. She later told Vanozza she felt like running away from her father & brother, because love for them was a chain binding her. Ces had told her when she was married to Sforza "I should keep you here in chains, you'd be happier". He was right! She'd never complained about him chaining her, which he'd done the moment she left Sforza. She was a bird in his cage. She bought the caged bird at the market that same day and commented on the guards Ces had watching her. But then a minute later, she was smiling & happily whistling to the bird. When her mother asked if she'd take Alf with her, she said she doubted he'd go. She said that because she already knew he was Ces' prisoner. He later told Vanozza the guards weren't for Lu, they were for her husband. Ces had another reason for wanting to know Alf and Lu's whereabouts "every hour of every day" - he wanted to spend time with Lu alone at her house. He was already making plans to be with her. When he knew Lu didn't care about Alf and wanted to be only with him, he completed the final step of his plan - killing Alf and finally having Lu all to himself, incest be damned Last edited by Mignonette; 06-27-2018 at 04:52 AM |
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I always thought this, too. Cousins married each other without a second's thought. People slept around and had mistresses. Juan was never shy about parading his groupies around. He literally walked up to Lucrezia half-naked in the middle of sex in Season 2. This family didn't hide things. __________________
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To be fair Lucrezia was the one going into his room when he was screwing a girl wasn't she? they were all weird to be fair
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In all fairness, that was probably building up for longer than we realize. These diseases can go undiscovered for years, until they finally take their toll. __________________
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However, David played this role magnificent!
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David was indeed magnificent in both seasons, he had more to work with in S2 but he was great in S1 as well.
Yeah let's not forget about Lucrezia spying on Cesare screwing a chick... remember when Neil said nothing weird was happening there tho? |
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Who exactly was Neil trying to kid?! Francois said that he + Holly were deliberately playing the sexual tension, and he was surprised when Neil suggested that they tone it down.
Why on earth incest would be a touchy subject for NJ, given the history of the Borgia family, is anyone's guess I can only think he just didn't want to rush into it. __________________
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Cause supposedly he "didn't want to go there like the others" because well is not really proven that it happened, etc. So he wanted to play with it but not make it canon YET HE WROTE THAT PILOT those lines, those scenes... and he didn't want it to happen? wtf?
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NJ's writing and what he said are so contradictory. I agree, May, wtf? indeed Idk, maybe he just didn't want to admit to shipping incest? Like François said, murder, rape, torture, etc all ok, but incest oh no! It reminds me of Rodrigo when he was elected pope and told Vanozza they couldn't continue their relationship. She said must we take a vow of poverty as well? And he said God forbid! Lol Last edited by Mignonette; 06-27-2018 at 06:18 PM |
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That's hilarious, when you think that most of The Tudors plot lines were based on RUMORS rather than facts, & Neil sure as hell didn't care about accuracy when he gave Juan syphillis even though Cesare was the one who reportedly had the disease in real life. Title suggestion : "I glimpse us, Cesare. Two brothers in harmony, walking together." __________________
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Sounds good to me.
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Yeah well and Juan did terrible things in this show that actually Cesare did... but NJ thought that was fine, and the whole Paolo situation is quite different from what actually happened to Lucrezia during her first pregnancy, he would modify things all the time but I guess that one of the most popular topics about The Borgias is the incest so he thought it'd be worse to include that IDK.
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That's a great title suggestion, Gwen! I'm gonna post the new thread and repost everyone's posts there.
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