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Old 12-16-2011, 03:47 AM
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I'm wondering about this limited edition and whether it would be worth it:

The Borgias - Season 1 (Special Edition) [DVD]: Amazon.co.uk: Jeremy Irons, François Arnaud, David Oakes, Neil Jordan: Film & TV

Mainly because the regular version, I got from amazon.ca, was very disappointing when it came to extras. (And look, there's a Joanne Whalley art card!!! )
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From the book I read today by Michael Mallett (1969) - "The Borgias":

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But Cesare seems to have been a man whose actions were entirely unaffected by his relations with women; with the exception of Lucrezia for whom he had a genuine affection and concern.
page 172


That was the end of a section discussing his alledged assault of Caterina Sforza and his relations with Sancia. Both of these things, the author argues did not happen. The latter not at all and the former if in any capacity it would have been more likely that Caterina offered herself to him in hope of winning his consideration.

Of course, neither me or the author was there but he makes compelling arguments supported by sources and documents of the time. Just fyi.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:50 PM
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Are you buying the DVD?
Oh definitely! I want the Box Set in my collection

Nikki...that seems to be a constant observation in most of Cesare's Bios. He doesn't care for anyone else with Lucrezia as the only exception. Oh my, I'm hearing that popular Paramore song in my head now
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Old 12-17-2011, 04:15 AM
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True. I just thought I'd share that quote. Mainly because I'm just reading another Sancia-based novel and for about 30 pages or so, I was under the impression I was supposed to believe in love between her and Cesare. Thankfully that has changed now and he shows his evil, scheming self.

So I was looking in actual biographies/history books where this was coming from in the first place about her and Cesare, or her and Juan but honestly - none of the authors could quote a historical source on this, especially Mallett thinks it was as made up as the incest allegations. Of the latter however he writes that Sforza must have actually believed what he was saying since he came from a family that was very cold and non-touchy-feely, hence the closeness among the Borgia family - and especially Cesare and Lucrezia - bewildered him.

There were other interesting things in that book some of them CL related, some of them not. Perhaps, I'll quote those later in the other thread.
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Old 12-17-2011, 10:40 PM
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Sancia and Cesare in love makes about much sense as Cesare loving being an ordained clergyman haha
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:34 AM
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I take Cesare/Sancia any day over Cesare/Ursula
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Old 12-18-2011, 03:08 PM
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Well, at least she was a historical figure. In any case I was just looking for "evidence" on this alleged affair but so far couldn't find any.
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Old 12-18-2011, 08:32 PM
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You mean on Cesare/Sancia??

So far I only read of the alleged affair between Caterina Sforza and Cesare But who knows, that could be the work of fiction too
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Old 12-18-2011, 08:54 PM
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New to this board but an absolute lover of The Borgias (especially Cesare and Lucrezia).

After the season finale of Dexter aired, there was a fairly long promo for season 2 of the Borgias - with a few Cesare / Lucrezia moments. I wish I knew how to upload it here or, even, better make some screencaps from it. The season looks amazing. Already have chills!

On the downside, - spoiler alert -

Spoiler:
Don't really want to sit through that again.

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Hi DexterFan

Welcome. I've been trying to find the promo but still no success Hopefully somebody will upload it soon!

We keep this board Spoiler free so please use a the spoiler tag next time
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wheee! Thanks for the updateDexterFan!! The fact that they're showing C/L in the teasers means that C/L will still be prominent in Season 2. Yay!!
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You mean on Cesare/Sancia??

So far I only read of the alleged affair between Caterina Sforza and Cesare But who knows, that could be the work of fiction too
Yes and yes. At least Mallett claims that this was surely something that was blown out of proportion and that given Caterina's character it might as well have been her who threw himself at him in order to bargain. In his opinion the rape and abuse was made up. Since that's non-fiction, I thought I bring it up here.

Gosh, (1) thanks for the news on the promo, (2) man, I really hope they still have heaps of scenes or I'm gonna cry and pout and switch off the telly and (3) regarding the spoiler... *sigh* I know.
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Fangirly-ness

*gasp* Could this be from the new promo??

ETA: Found another one

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Old 12-19-2011, 07:33 PM
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OMG - those carnival pictures look so awesome. I read some very exciting things about the trailer and now I really really want to see it!!!
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They look so happy
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