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Cesare & Lucrezia #48: "I am tired of my husband. I am tired of life. The only thing that never tires me is you." - Lucrezia to Cesare
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Here's some old gifs I found. :love:
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cool a new thread for Cesare & Lu :D thanks for creating this thread and the gifs Alex :)
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tftnt, Alex! :D
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You're both welcome, Arinna and Linda! :wave: And Linda, since your birthday is coming up I'm gonna post to you in our birthday thread next week. :nod:
Oh, of course those were inappropriate flirtations. :lol: But I think those interactions also count as incestuous, even if there was no actual sexual intercourse. Brothers and sisters don't act like that normally, so even though they hadn't committed the physical act of incest, I think they had already committed incest in their hearts. :nod: But I get what you mean. See, I don't get Cesare's behavior after Lucrezia became more aggressive regarding her attraction to him. He seemed to be on and off, at first accepting her advances, then pushing her away. And then "claiming" her in the finale like that. I was like, well, why didn't he do that earlier? :lol: What was it about taking down Forli and Alfonso dying that changed the equation? And Cesare being hesitant when she lured him into her bed was kinda cute. :lol: Normally he's the aggressive one, with Ursula, and Charlotte, and whomever else he's with. I think Caterina was the only one who was as aggressive with him as Lucrezia was. :lol: |
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Awesome kissing gif, Arinna! :love: :thud:
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It's an amazing kiss! :P
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I suppose you do have a point Alex about Cesare being on and off with his affections towards Lucrezia...even in S3 when the siblings took their incestuous relationship to a another level, there were times when Cesare made the first move and kissed her numerous times, and then there were times when he pushed away from her...it's confusing...and it still doesn't explain why Cesare suddenly became so possessive of Lu in the end. Even though he was quite shifty with his behavior towards Lu, sometimes kissing her and sometimes showing restraint, but never before did he ever display that kind of possessiveness towards Lu until that very end, it was quite out of character for him.
But still, ever since the siblings consummated their love for each other in 3x03 (or even before that), Lu gradually became the more assertive one in their relationship most of the time. And as I mentioned before in the previous thread for Lu & Cesare, Lu seemed quite receptive to Cesare's sudden possessive if you consider her reaction when he 'claimed' her as his own...it makes me wonder whether the siblings' relationship would've ended differently if they had made a S4. Yes I know that Jordan completely destroyed this couple in his disastrous book, but let's just disregard his book, because it's really not worth being treated as canon and most people don't regard his book as canon anyway. But hypothetically if they had made a S4, I think many of the events would've most likely happened very differently in S4 than it did in Jordan's book. What do you think? |
He became possessive over her, because I got tired of running away. :nod: Also, Lu told him that she got tired of her marriage to Alfonso. Then he started having plans for them.
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I wish you had written season 4, Arinna. :lol:
Hi, Linda! :wave: Yeah, I mean just look at the first three episodes. We go from Cesare telling Lucrezia "we are the unholy family" and kissing her right on the mouth while her eyes flutter and she seems like she's about to faint, to Lucrezia seducing Cesare in her bedroom while she's completely naked and Cesare acting like a nervous schoolboy. :lol: Kind of back and forth there, no? They did seem to switch places when it came to who was more aggressive. Yeah, the possessiveness that Cesare had for Lucrezia seemed to be a combination of him finally accepting their desire for each other and deciding that he wasn't going to hold back any longer, as well as a need to keep her safe by keeping her close to him and not really trusting anyone who would be her suitor or husband any longer. And you're right, Lucrezia did get more assertive with all her sneaking into Cesare's bed when he was asleep and acting more like a lover than a sister. ;) As for where their relationship would've gone in a proper season 4 that didn't destroy them like Jordan intended, I think they would've continued their relationship long distance while she was in her loveless marriage to her third husband(also named Alfonso), the Duke of Ferrara. The history has her cheating on that guy all the time, so why not have her marry that Alfonso for his title and for political reasons but have Cesare as her lover? :nod: And Cesare would still have Charlotte back in France as his wife and mother to his child, but still be romantically involved with Lucrezia whenever he was in Ferrara, which he would visit often. And when Cesare is finally captured and imprisoned, and then escapes, he attempts to return to Ferrara to get Lucrezia and take her and her children with him to France where they could plan their next move whilst living in polygamous bliss with his wife, Charlotte. :lmao: Hey, I saw a scene from another Borgia series where Cesare and Lucrezia had a threesome with Sancia, so it's possible. :P But before he can get to Lucrezia, he's ambushed and mortally wounded. And while he lies dying, his final thoughts are of Lucrezia and a montage of scenes of the two of them begins to play. And as this happens, we see Lucrezia reading Cesare's final letter to her which he sent just a few days earlier, and she begins to cry as Cesare dies while staring up into the sky, as if she can sense that he's dead. |
You always say that, Alex! :D
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Alex:
I suppose it makes sense that after everything that had happened, in the end Cesare was finally ready to fully commit to his feelings for Lucrezia and their relationship, I also think it's very likely that by the end Cesare was convinced that he was the only person who could truly protect Lu, because it's true that he didn't really trust anyone else towards the end of the series (especially Alfonso when it came to Lu's safety), except for Lu of course, she was the only person in the world whom Cesare fully and wholeheartedly trusted. So after thinking about the finale more, Cesare's possessiveness towards Lu in the end is starting to make more sense to me now :) And I definitely think that if Showtime had commissioned a S4, the events that would've transpired in S4 would've been very different to what was depicted in Jordan's book...especially regarding the siblings' incestuous relationship and Lu's character development. Jordan completely destroyed the integrity of Lu's character by having her poison both her father and Cesare in the book, ultimately murdering her own father and attempted to murder Cesare whom she's suppose to love very much. I think the production crew and the casts of the Showtime version probably would've strongly opposed of such nonsense to play out in S4, especially Francois and Holliday, I can just imagine them both arguing with Jordan over this, afterall they did argue with Jordan quite a few times about the incest during filming lol :D And I also think Jeremy Irons probably would've disapproved of such atrocious storyline too, he probably wouldn't have wanted his character Rodrigo to be killed by his own daughter. There's just so many problems and inconsistencies with Jordan's book that I think much of what was written in his book would've most likely been scrapped if they had made a S4. And like I mentioned before, Lucrezia's reaction when Cesare became possessive of her in the end was quite positive...I mean, instead of pushing him away in disgust or ignoring him, Lu actually cocked her head like she approved of Cesare's sudden declaration of his possessive love for her, and she looked like she was enjoying the moment as Cesare affectionately buried his face in her chest as she lay on the bed. That kind of receptive response from Lu certainly suggests to me that the siblings would've had a much more positive and happier outcome in S4 compared to what happened to them in the book, this is further compounded by my belief that the casts probably would've opposed of the atrocious writing in Jordan's book. I agree I think the siblings would've most likely continued with their forbidden incestuous relationship secretly, even after Lu eventually marry Alfonso d'Este the Duke of Ferrara. As you mentioned, even in real-life, the real Lucrezia's marriage to Alfonso of Ferrara also seemed to be another loveless marriage because even despite her marriage to the Duke of Ferrara being by far her longest marriage lasting till her death and their marriage produced many children, but neither spouses were faithful to each other, they both had extramarital affairs while they were married to each other, especially Lu who had many lovers while she was married to Alfonso of Ferrara. So I think this issue probably would've been addressed in the potential S4...I don't know if Lu would've had other lovers during her future third marriage, but Cesare definitely would've been one of Lu's main lovers, if not her ONLY true lover during her 3rd marriage, I can definitely imagine that happening in the potential S4 :) I'm not 100% sure what the exact storylines and events that the writers would've explored in the potential S4, but the incestuous relationship between Ceasre & Lu definitely would've continued to be 1 of the most important storylines in S4, since their incestuous relationship became 1 of the most crucial and most popular plotlines in the entire series :D |
I want to share something with you, Linda. :) You know that Francois has a new show and he's paired with another actress there. I have to tell you, no sign of the chemistry he's had with Holy. :shrug: I have to say that they made Cesare and Lucrezia look so brilliant and romantic on screen.
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