rpmaluki

I don't know whether to be grateful at the lack of mention of that 'someone' or not.

DGSAFDMD

I am not sure either I'm nervous tho cause I want that to happen in the show but they're changing a lot this season so far.

I have no idea what Jaime is going to do for the rest of the season.

IceKat055

I really do hate that B&W have done this to "Jaime". Even though I've managed to reconcile with it (in that I simply don't acknowledge it as happening, or canon, adding to the fact that Jaime and Cersei are sickening enough in book!canon), too many people out there can't.

Did 'Game of Thrones' Ruin Jaime Lannister Forever? The Debate Rages On

Far as I'm concerned, the character of Jaime Lannister was absent in that sept scene with Cersei, and reappeared in 'Oathkeeper.'

rpmaluki

I have not watched that awful scene and I never will. That was not the Jaime Lannister I fell in love with. He is not a rapist!!!!!!!!!! I hate what D&D have done to his character. As long as he's still on the show, that sept scene will taint Jaime and every good thing he does, especially when gaining his independence from Cersei's control, ugh.

IceKat055

Nope, not for me. I lay the blame for that SQUARELY on B&W's shoulders. Some of their changes, while irritating, I can at least understand. Some of them, and some of their additions, are just completely stupid, there's no other word for them. This one, though? Was new levels of stupid. And does not exist.

rpmaluki

I completely blame them. Jaime is many things, most of which are unsavoury but one thing he isn't is a rapist. I refuse to acknowledge that scene. However, I want the showrunners to suffer in some way for ever dreaming it up. I don't want them to get away with that grievous change from the book.

DGSAFDMD

Worst thing is that no one is understanding why we're so mad they're like "well the show has a bunch of murder and sex and stuff" yeah but that's in the books. Books are full of politics and murder and the show added the loads of sex. I am not a hysterical 40 year old mother who's going against them for portraying a scene where a bunch of kids were murdered (tho we didn't actually see it as graphically) because even tho is awful, is part of the story, is part of the books. I am not mad because that scene will have every human being raping their women, I'm mad because the show decided to go somewhere completely different from the books for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. And thought that NOTHING would happen except a lot of people talking about their show. I guess they assumed no one was going to be insulted by it. Once again, not only you're affecting two characters and a relationship in the show, not only you're making an anti-rape character a rapist but you're now being disgusting for viewers by adding rape where THERE ISN'T simply BECAUSE. No justification, no real reason and then refuse to talk about it.

IceKat055

I remember being the same way about Drogo in S1, when he raped Dany on their wedding night. There was NOTHING ambiguous about that, it was flat-out, straight-up rape. I get that they have time constraints and they wanted to move the scene along and they didn't think it'd be "realistic" to portray it as it went down in the book...but dammit, these are GRRM'S characters, and HIS scenes. Drogo did not rape Dany; he worshipped her every inch and waited until she said "yes" before proceeding. And I personally don't think it would have taken too much time to have shown that on-screen.

B&W's -up didn't phase me, or make me love show!Drogo any less. Won't make me love show!Jaime any less, either.

I have a feeling that they're going to be forced to answer the tough questions, eventually. If they show their faces at Comic Con, I have no doubt that someone will put it to 'em!

DGSAFDMD

Also I was wondering if they'll do the Nerd HQ panel? remember last year Richard did it, because in that specific panel is way more personal and people could actually yell at them and throw them things jk. *not really*

Currawong

TBH, I didn't see the Ep 3 scene as rape, because I viewed it in the context of their whole long and twisted relationship. It is quite obvious from the books that their sexual relationship is one that has involved aggression - Jaime actually remembers overcoming her objections at times, and turning her blows to kisses, so the whole 'consent/coercion' aspect is not a simple one at all in THEIR particular complex and twisted relationship, which has involved aggressive sex, power struggles and personal demands/manipulation. This wasn't a stranger rape, there was no weapon or threats involved, it wasn't a 'first night in an arranged marriage to a stranger' scene such as Dany /Drogo, it wasn't a drunken misunderstanding about Yes/No/Maybe in a casual relationship. This was one incident of demanding, aggressive sex in a long-standing relationship, which puts a very different complexion on things. And given that Book Cersei had no problems in hitting Jaime on several occasions, I don't think she would have had any trouble in hitting him and fighting him if she REALLY meant 'No'. I am not in any way suggesting that all rape victims must or should fight to indicate non-consent - I am simply looking at the specific J/C relationship and personalities. Yes, it was ugly, and yes it possibly could have been made slightly clearer for show-only viewers, but book readers need to look at all the facts about their relationship e.g. the sex scene in the tower at Winterfell, where what Bran saw was also aggressive sex where Cersei was moaning 'no'.

Heda_Khaleesi

do we have a new title btw?

rpmaluki

Are you asking if I'd kill my brother?

Currawong, I can't view episode 3 outside the context of the books and what I already know about their characters, that's why I refuse to see Jaime as a rapist. He isn't one. The fault lies with the showrunners for messing up that sept scene. They are the ones that should be taken to task for that enormous error on their part, not Jaime's character.

Currawong

An "enormous error"? I think that a sense of proportion is required here! A small part of one scene has upset some viewers, but judging by some of the OTT comments, you'd think the world had almost ended. Yes, the last 10-20 seconds of the scene probably could have been directed in a way that brought out the complexities of the J/C sexual relationship slightly better, but I hardly think it requires all the angst and hysteria.

GRRM had it right - anything to do with sex ( consensual or otherwise) on TV brings out far more hysterical reactions than mere physical violence, torture and any number of murders and general killing. No one seems to worry too much about things like Arya turning into a child murderer, or the brutality of a society that would leave a baby out in the snow for the white walkers or the Great Other or some such being. But show a rough sex scene with two mature adults in a complex longstanding relationship, and the screams are deafening.

rpmaluki

I'm actually worried about Arya and killing spree. It saddens me in fact.

IceKat055

New thread!