I think he was a bit delusional because of how surprised he was in 4x17 when she implied he was terrible. He thought saving her life absolved him of the stuff he did. How he thought she would help him get out of the living room in 4x13 and help him in 4x18 is delusional because there was no reason why she should.

Klaus has always been delusional so I wouldn't be surprised if he thought these gestures absolved him of putting her in danger in the first place. Like his porch speech after he made Tyler leave town still makes me laugh at how absurd it is.

Basically more of what he told her on 3x11 and 3x21. You know, expanding upon those lines.I don't think Caroline had ever thought of the fact that she literally had all eternity before her. That she was free, that she could be anything or everything she wanted, she only had to try. Klaus could definitely help her cope with the daunting thought of having to spend her life without her friends and family(because she would outlive them), he could show to her how to have fun with being a vampire.

Show her the positives basically ( and no, I don't mean compelling people and feeding, Caroline would never do that, nor does she need to) because even if she sees them or knows them, she's still living in denialville. I say that because, essentially esp in the beginning Caroline pictured vampires as monsters, and having Stefan(What with his guilt and addiction) and Damon( rapist, murderer etc) didn't really help much. Then she had to deal with the preconceived notions of her mother and Bonnie. No wonder Caroline's still a human stuck in a vampire's body. She doesn't think of the big picture, no, her aims and goals are what human Caroline's would've been. She hasn't changed at all. To keep Liz and Bonnie and even Elena (when she was human) loving her, she stuck to her teenybopper attitude. That's not necessarily because that's who is, it's because of her insecurities. And Klaus, while being an insecure a$$hole himself could probably help her with that, heck they both could help each other with that. In return he could learn a lot from her humanity and compassion. It would be a give and take relationship through and through.

This is just head canon though. There's a lot of shoulda, woulda, coulda. But the fact is, the writers just bungled up Klaroline by making it romantic from day one. They should have built a tentative friendship first and gone from there.

He definitely did. But I though Tri was talking about Klaus deluding himself about Caroline having deeper feelings for him.

Ah. I don't know if Klaus has to delude himself into thinking Caroline has/had feelings for him. It was pretty clear in a few scenes (most particular 5x11 despite it being fan-pandering) that she does feel something for him. I think the biggest clue as to her feelings was in the episode that Silas pretended to be Klaus and tricked her. She was clearly conflicted about him (while thinking it was Klaus she was with) and that she was "afraid of him", but I think it was more her feeling for him she was afraid of. She's the type of person that would question what was wrong with her if she had feelings for a man that hurt so many people she cares about. She doesn't want to admit that she could feel something more than hate for a "monster".

So maybe in that episode where she is dying on the couch and talks to Klaus about having to remind herself of all the horrible things he's done and that he might be worth saving was about trying to stay alive and telling him what he wanted to hear, but I think she did tell him some of the truth. She might not want to admit that there's a spark in him "worth saving" because of his history with her loved ones, but that she does have to remind herself all the time who she's dealing with because she tends to forget/feel more for him.

Klaus doesn't have to delude himself into thinking that Caroline does care for him, but I think he would be smokin' something if he thought she loved him. I mean she was hating herself after sleeping with him - that's not love. You can't feel love for someone that makes you hate yourself.

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Thanks for the reply I agree that Caroline hasn't changed much and thought of eternity etc and like you said she's held back because of the humans in her life. But I'm not that bothered about it because she's only 21 and you don't change that much in a short space of time. Caroline said that she went to college to meet boys and have fun so in that sense she's not living life as she would as a human. Unlike Elena who is planning a career path. Caroline's just living each day as it comes at the moment. When you do have eternity you probably feel less of an urgency to do things. She told Klaus she had plans but she was probably lying

But I think without Liz around Caroline might be forced to think of immortality. And I have a feeling her clinging onto MF in the beginning of the season is going to lead to her realizing that she has to leave at the end of the season. When she dropped out of college and moved to the MF border just to get MF back I thought it was a rash thing for Caroline to do which is why I have a feeling she might go off at the end of the season

I will always love Caroline, but I honestly miss how she used to be - all of them really, pre-season 4. Maybe in the finale they find a tardis and go back in time to change all the mistakes and relive their life to make it not suck .