ElenaBelle

After 3x11 they wrote KC in such a way that she had the upper hand and came across as the more mature and wiser one so I couldn't really see him as a mentor. If anything he learned more from her. I'm sorry to say this but sometimes I see Klaus as a man child.

I do get annoyed with her teeny bopper act sometimes and I'd like to see her grow. When she was around Klaus she seemed 'older'. When they went back to school and cheerleading in 4x16 it was actually weird because I forgot they were so young. So I'd like to see more conversations where she discusses immortality and how she feels about it and less party planning.

Princess Serenity

TVD always does that, presents a life altering experience to the characters but instead of taking it and running with it to create great storylines and make these people grow, they ignore it and keep everyone locked inside little boxes where character development doesn't exist. All the TVD characters have regressed or stagnated instead of moving forward, which is a shame, because all of them had potential. I don't know if the writers are just that horrible and don't know how to write a good character arc or if they are just afraid to try.

If you ever need recs, let me know. Mine are all Klaroline though.

As much as I love him, I think that's the universal consensus. But Caroline can be very childish sometimes too, which is why I found their banter so amusing.

I think she can be mature and still plan parties. Caroline is still 20 (?), so it's normal for her to still be a little naive and immature, it only bothers me when it's overly done and it seems like she didn't learn anything in the past 6 seasons.

hurricane eyes

I think if anything Klaus would have learned to be more "human" from her - compassionate or whatever. While Klaus would introduce her into the world of living for eternity and how she has no limitations anymore. It would be a mutually beneficial relationship between the two if the writers actually put the effort into them. I think if Klaus never got a spinoff they would have gone this route to slowly redeem Klaus and get him on the MF Gang's team. Instead they left him as the sometimes helpful, but always shady ahole in S4.

I was all for a spinoff if they concentrated on the family dynamic of the Original family, but instead we got a stupid demon baby, oatmeal-face, and swamp queen as factors for redemption for these characters . I would much rather have just left Klaus on TVD and have him slowly change because he is attracted to the light inside of Caroline instead of him having his own show and turn into a drunk cry baby because of some demon spawn.

ElenaBelle

I never thought of Caroline as childish. In very early season 1 she had a few ditzy and naive moments. Most of the time she's just really bubbly. And it can get annoying when like you said she's too bubbly when she should actually be more serious because of whatever situation is going on. They never wrote her like that around Klaus though. But their interactions were a bit more serious so I guess they couldn't.

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Just out of curiosity what would Klaus teach Caroline that she couldn't learn by herself? The traveling and experiencing different things can only come from Caroline going out into the world and that's something that's inevitable. She will eventually have to leave whether she likes it or not. I guess he could teach her to fight but that she could learn somewhere else. And if she's suppose to be the eternal beacon of light and a vampire whose humanity got stronger when she turned then going darker is out of the question so it's not like he could teach her to kill. So I don't get what he would teach her. Somebody enlighten me Like when Klaus told Caroline she'd get tired of the small town etc I got some feels and thought he had a point but then when I thought about it Forwood would have left MF eventually and whose to say they'd end up in a small town and never change and want different things.

hurricane eyes

I think Klaus would be able to teach her the joys of being a vampire. Stefan taught her how to feed, but he loaths being a vampire. She basically managed to teach herself everything about being a functional vampire, but not having fun. She still lives a very human life. It's like her dying didn't affect her way of life at all. She still seems to have the same goals as before. The only time she really let the immortal thing get to her was her bday and then nothing. We see nothing from that. Caroline is going to live forever and instead of exploring what that might mean she pretends to still be human. Not that I don't love Caroline's personality and that she's managed to hold onto her humanity, but I think it would be nice for her to see that she has so many different options at her fingertips and doesn't have to live her life like she will die in 80 years.

ElenaBelle

Caroline does enjoy being a vampire. That's why she called the cure stupid and Klaus said that she enjoys being strong, fearless and ageless. She just used vampirism as a means to enhance her human life without getting caught in the negative aspects. Liz, Matt and Bonnie etc are mortals so of course Caroline would want to get as many years as possible with them before she has to move on. As for Klaus teaching her to enjoy life. IDK if we should consider TO to be OOC but I've watched a couple of scenes and it's canon that he doesn't know how to enjoy life because of all his demons so he might not be the best teacher.

The only way I could see Klaus teaching Caroline anything would be if she started losing her humanity and starting feeding/killing etc but that's instinctual to a vampire and doesn't necessarily have to be taught. Caroline isn't interested in feeding off people as we saw when Tyler suggested it in season 3. This could be because she was a victim of a vampire and doesn't want to inflict that abuse on others. The only other thing I could think of is if she wanted to rule over others and might need help in manipulating and instilling fear in people. She enjoys running her committees but I don't know if she'd necessarily want to rule a city or kingdom.

Princess Serenity

I don't think Klaus could actually teach her something per say, I just think that Caroline is the kind of person that needs a little push to even take a peak outside her bubble and Klaus was the only person so far that actually challenged her to do just that. Everyone else is just happy to let her continue to be the small town girl.

hurricane eyes

Agreed. Plus this, I think, is more of a head canon then anything.

Rapunzel

I think eventually we all can learn from our own experiences, but that doesn't mean we don't need a guide sometimes to give us the push we need in the right direction. That's what I consider a mentor-prodigy relationship anyway.

I never said Caroline couldn't teach Klaus a thing or two about humanity. But Klaus being the older one with far more experience, he definitely should have a lot more teach to her about the joys of vampirism, shouldn't he?

This isn't just my head canon btw. This is how JoMo pictured how Klaroline as well. If you'd read his interviews right after 3x11 happened, you'd know what I was talking about. This is also, one of the biggest reasons I shipped Klaroline, but they sadly bungled this relationship as well, by turning him into a delusional stalker. If you think about it, Klaus wanting to be Caroline's last love doesn't make all that much sense either. (I do love that scene dearly, but still wtf)

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I definitely consider TO OOC, considering Klaus has a demon baby whom he loves with that trailer trash/werewolf princess.

Princess Serenity

I know what you're talking about, I loved his ideas of how Klaroline could have been and I think it could be very interesting to watch, a mentor-prodigy relationship with underlined sexual tension would have been perfect. He stopped stalking her really quick though, then it was just her seeking him out to play little blonde distraction or them being forced to spend time together due to circumstances. It makes sense because Klaus likes big gestures and poetic declarations, of course he would make a big deal out of that moment.

Rapunzel

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No, but he was still being delusional as to where he stood with Caroline. And Since Caroline never reciprocated with anything other than looks, that's exactly what he was.

Also, I meant that Klaus loving Caroline doesn't make sense at all to me. If you look at their timeline, you'd see that they haven't known each other that long at all. Klaus is impulsive in his actions but he isn't the kind of guy who falls in love at first sight(that's Bekah) and Caroline didn't really do anything that would make him see her in that light? Idk, she barely even tolerated him.... I didn't understand how he went from just fancying her to falling in love.

I realize that his feelings towards Caroline ran deep *for some reason*, I just didn't think they were ( or should've been) anywhere near love. I don't think Klaus is a man of empty words (mostly), so that scene (while being amazeballs) falls flat when you really think about it.

Princess Serenity

What do you mean? I think the only times Klaus was being delusional about where he stood with her was during 3x15 and the beginning of season 4, but that's because of the little blonde distraction plans. After she tricked him for the tenth time I believe he got a reality check. After that I'm pretty sure he knew she didn't want anything to do with him, but he still tried to get on her good graces when an opportunity presented itself, but the last time he actively went after her for romantic reasons was 3x20, in 4x18 he only needed her help, I don't think he was planning on trying to get into her pants in that episode and 5x11... well, idk what 5x11 was all about, cause it was so random.

Oh, that I definitely agree. I think the falling in love part was too fast for him, I could have believed more if 4x23 was the first episode to present that possibility, but it was mentioned before in 4x13, which didn't make much sense at all.

I disagree with the falling flat part though, that scene is still really powerful to me.

ElenaBelle

I think he was a bit delusional because of how surprised he was in 4x17 when she implied he was terrible. He thought saving her life absolved him of the stuff he did. How he thought she would help him get out of the living room in 4x13 and help him in 4x18 is delusional because there was no reason why she should.

I agree about the falling in love too easily. I was a casual viewer so I didn't pay attention to all their scenes and when I got interested in them after 4x21 I went back to watch their scenes again and I thought I'd missed some scenes and was surprised to see how little screen time they actually got. There was not enough build up.

I only started reading interviews around season 5 but I want examples of what he would specifically teach her. Like what would they do? If they had gone the mentor route how would you see it play out. Considering Liz and her human friends were around anchoring Caroline. And Caroline has shown distaste when it comes to feeding off of and torturing people. What do you think he would have done?

Rapunzel

^^That's exactly what I meant.


Basically more of what he told her on 3x11 and 3x21. You know, expanding upon those lines.I don't think Caroline had ever thought of the fact that she literally had all eternity before her. That she was free, that she could be anything or everything she wanted, she only had to try. Klaus could definitely help her cope with the daunting thought of having to spend her life without her friends and family(because she would outlive them), he could show to her how to have fun with being a vampire.

Show her the positives basically ( and no, I don't mean compelling people and feeding, Caroline would never do that, nor does she need to) because even if she sees them or knows them, she's still living in denialville. I say that because, essentially esp in the beginning Caroline pictured vampires as monsters, and having Stefan(What with his guilt and addiction) and Damon( rapist, murderer etc) didn't really help much. Then she had to deal with the preconceived notions of her mother and Bonnie. No wonder Caroline's still a human stuck in a vampire's body. She doesn't think of the big picture, no, her aims and goals are what human Caroline's would've been. She hasn't changed at all. To keep Liz and Bonnie and even Elena (when she was human) loving her, she stuck to her teenybopper attitude. That's not necessarily because that's who is, it's because of her insecurities. And Klaus, while being an insecure a$$hole himself could probably help her with that, heck they both could help each other with that. In return he could learn a lot from her humanity and compassion. It would be a give and take relationship through and through.

This is just head canon though. There's a lot of shoulda, woulda, coulda. But the fact is, the writers just bungled up Klaroline by making it romantic from day one. They should have built a tentative friendship first and gone from there.

Princess Serenity